posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 03:09 PM
Originally posted by akushla99
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
Originally posted by BrokenAngelWings33
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
Nope. You have free will...and you continue do deny ignorance...you really need to get a grip on reality...do people kill people or do guns kill
people? do bombers drop bombs or do bombs drop themselves? WE all have free will choices to make every day and consequences to deal with from free
will of others. That you insist everything is decided in advance is beyond me...you will respond or not, your choice. I can post many more examples
for you, but I see you have no free will to change your mind
I have this argument every time I talk about the illusion of free will and whenever people do not see what I see, they tend to call me naive, tell me
to get a grip on reality, or some are kind enough to, as the cliche goes, "live and let live."
I skimmed through your response because I've heard the same natured responses with different faces, but that last line was pretty funny!
Well, I have stated my position as best as I could and even put in some scriptures.
One last time, this thread is the most descriptive one, far better than I can explain, of the perception of free will:
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Nice one!...the 'perception' of FREE WILL?!
It seems, in sticking to a hardline approach, you have turned yourself into an automaton!...your concept seems to revolve around the, much
misunderstood, Will of God...which then leads you to believe that everything is preordained, clockwork and unaffectable...why then, would you need to
be 'saved', or to 'save' souls?...since it is the Will of God that they are or aren't either way?...
You seem to have run into a cul-de-sac...
First off, Brokenangelwings, it's alright, I am at fault for not explaining my position. My question to you is this:
you say everyone is exercising their free will by simply choosing to respond, however, is that view on free will limited to time aka the present?
Because you are in the present, you think it is free will, but how do you know that the decision to write this thread or the responses were not
predetermined? Why would it predetermined? My opinion is that it is to see the bigger picture.
Second, to address A99, I never once said in this thread you would need to be saved or to save souls. My question regarding salvation is: What exactly
is being saved? Saved from what? If you think that I think being saved means to avoid "hell," I will tell that you that is not my definition of being
saved as my definition of being saved is to avoid the purgatorial state of what Judaism refers to as sheol, not the place of literal brimstone and
fire doctrine that is perpetuated by fearful Christian doctrines.
I will admit that the theoretical answers to existential questions are still premature and working things out. I will admit that I took a black and
white approach into the grey zone. I still have to formulate things before answering questions.
However, will you admit that maybe you are wrong as well? You say that the Will of God is misunderstood, but you seem to take a hardline approach that
free will does exist. So who is right and who is wrong? Am I right, are you right? Or are we both wrong? Is the answer a combination of the two?
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