UN votes today on Palestinian bid for state recognition

Sad to say, even Canada is kissing up..

Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird in New York to oppose move

www.cbc.ca...

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas formally asked the UN a year ago to consider his application for full membership. That request has been blocked by the Security Council, but Thursday's resolution is expected to pass.

Unlike the Security Council, in the General Assembly, the main deliberative, policymaking and representative organ of the United Nations, no one country has veto power. Most of the General Assembly's 193 member states are sympathetic to the Palestinians and this resolution to raise its status only requires a majority vote for approval

This will pass, all while tanks are rolling into Gaza today

Free Gaza Movement ‏@freegazaorg

NEWS: Israeli military vehicles crossed near the al-Qarara town northeast of Khan Younis on Thursday in a new breach of the Gaza ceasefire.

It doesn't matter whether some countries back the Palestinian cause or not . They are guaranteed to win .

Palestinians set to win statehood recognition in UN vote Guardian.co.uk

- West Bank officials hope for more than 130 yes votes in 193-nation general assembly, despite US and Israeli opposition

The UN general assembly is set to implicitly recognise a sovereign state of Palestine on Thursday despite threats by the US and Israel to punish the Palestinian Authority by withholding much-needed funds for the West Bank government.

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Till now , 5 countries have openly come forward to oppose this move . They include :
- Israel
- UK
- Canada
- US
- Germany

Originally posted by UltraMarine
In doesn't matter whether some countries back the Palestinian cause or not . They are guaranteed to win .

And in the meantime Israel and the USA dont attempt to get the vote their way by reason or logic, but by mean spirited bullying and blackmail.

From your article...

A state department spokeswoman, Victoria Nuland, reiterated US warnings that the move could lead to a reduction of economic support for the Palestinians.
The Israelis have said they might take significant deductions out of monthly transfers of duties that Israel collects on the Palestinians' behalf.

From another article...

The U.S. Congress has threatened financial sanctions if the Palestinians improve their status at the United Nations.
Ahead of the vote, Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch filed an amendment to a defense bill Wednesday that would eliminate funding for the United Nations if the General Assembly changes Palestine's status.

but to their credit

Hanan Ashrawi, a senior Palestinian Liberation Organisation official, told a news conference in Ramallah that "the Palestinians can't be blackmailed all the time with money".

Originally posted by UltraMarine
Till now , 5 countries have openly come forward to oppose this move .

Its worth noting that the Prime Minister of Australia, Julia Gillard, had openly endorsed a policy of following the USA/Israel line of brown nosing and following their vote on everything related to Israel, as the suckhole Australian government always does.

However she didnt get her way and after a lot of her party members demanded Australia vote "yes", a compromise was made to chicken out and abstain.

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Germany has announced earlier this morning that it had reversed its earlier position and decided to abstain rather than oppose the resolution, which recognizes the Palestinian state as defined by 1967 borders

Originally posted by UltraMarine
Germany has announced earlier this morning that it had reversed its earlier position and decided to abstain rather than oppose the resolution, which recognizes the Palestinian state as defined by 1967 borders

And I just read now that the UK will also abstain.

This pretty much leaves Israel, the USA and a very exceedingly small number of others voting "no".

Link to the UN live webcast. International (diplomatic) voices concerning the Palestinian- Israeli situation.

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Who backs Palestine UN bid? Ehud Olmert

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert came out strongly in support of Palestine being given "observer state" status at the UN

csmonitor.com

The draft resolution to be voted on at the UN :

- Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967

- Decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice

- Expresses the hope that the Security Council will consider favourably the application submitted on 23 September 2011 by the State of Palestine for admission to full membership in the United Nations

- (and) Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfills the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders

LINK

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I just read that the UK will vote in favor but only if Abbas gives guarantees that the Palestinians won't try to take Israel to the ICC for war crimes.

11/29/2012 2:02 AM ET
Britain would support the Palestinians' bid to enhance their current "permanent observer" status at the United Nations to that of a "non-member observer state" only if certain conditions are met, Foreign Secretary William Hague said on Wednesday.

He said Britain would abstain from voting on the Palestinian request at the U.N. General Assembly if it did not get assurances from the Palestinians that they would return to peace negotiations with Israel without any pre-conditions and refrain from seeking access to the International Criminal Court (ICC).

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Here is Backup to your Story : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by UltraMarine
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Till now , 5 countries have openly come forward to oppose this move . They include :
- Israel
- UK
- Canada
- US
- Germany

Also I have seen articles claiming that Estonia will abstain.

I am furious of the Candian government's continuous support of Israel and it's actions and not acknowledging the right for Palestine to exist.

Canada has been hijacked by Zionist lobbies and our elected officials actions prove this. Stephen Harper and his stooges do not speak for Canadians and shame on those of you who voted this fool into power.

Canada stands in solidarity with Palestine!

I am not sure why but I have a bad feeling about this. Either the bid will be rejected or Israel will find a reason to justify a ground invasion if it passes. They have already violated the ceasefire various times by shooting people on the Gazan side of the fence by claiming they were "rioters trying to breach the border".

The media USUALLY but NOT ALWAYS fails to mention this when Gaza responds with rocket fire.

How interesting that this thread would come up today, as the UN votes: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Scare-mongering about those darned Arabs again...

UN votes can be bought. Consider this quote from the book "Confessions of An Economic Hitman", concerning what happens when countries go into debt through the IMF, and then they cannot pay:

"If an EHM [Economic Hit Man] is completely successful, the loans are so large that the debtor is forced to default on its payments after a few years. When this happens, then like the Mafia we demand our pound of flesh. This often includes one or more of the following: Control over United Nations votes, the installation of military bases, or access to precious resources such as oil or the Panama Canal."

From "Confessions of An Economic Hitman", copyright 2004 by John Perkins, published by Plume (Penguin Books).

Votes can be bought...of course, we all sort of knew this.....It's no surprise that the US and Canada are voting with the Zionist bloc. Our two countries are in serious debt.

The World Bank/IMF is owned and controlled by NM Rothschild & Sons plus 30 to 40 of the wealthiest people in the world.

truth11.com...

There should be no question as to the reason why the US and Canada are held by the short hairs concerning a Zionist agenda.

Originally posted by CALGARIAN
Sad to say, even Canada is kissing up..

"Even" Canada? Dude we are one of the worst ones of the bunch...

Originally posted by UltraMarine
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Till now , 5 countries have openly come forward to oppose this move . They include :
- Israel
- UK
- Canada
- US
- Germany

Let's add Portugal to the list of countries who openly support this move

www.maannews.net...

The live stream for the General Assembly: 44th plenary meeting (Question of Palestine) can be seen here at 15:00 et.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by alfa1

 

I just read that the UK will vote in favor but only if Abbas gives guarantees that the Palestinians won't try to take Israel to the ICC for war crimes.

11/29/2012 2:02 AM ET
Britain would support the Palestinians' bid to enhance their current "permanent observer" status at the United Nations to that of a "non-member observer state" only if certain conditions are met, Foreign Secretary William Hague said on Wednesday.

He said Britain would abstain from voting on the Palestinian request at the U.N. General Assembly if it did not get assurances from the Palestinians that they would return to peace negotiations with Israel without any pre-conditions and refrain from seeking access to the International Criminal Court (ICC).

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edit on 29-11-2012 by GrantedBail because: (no reason given)

Open, unhidden straight forward we don't care who knows Blackmail - Lovely.

How stupid are these people?

Voting happening now.

The board shows 9 "no" votes.

The "no"s are...

Israel,
USA,
Canada,
Micronesia
Palau
Marshall Islands
Panama
Narau
Czech Republic

I oppose this vote but not because I am anti-Palestine or pro-Zionist but because strictly speaking Palestine is not a state.

The UN charter gives a nation the right to self-determination which is grate however that is only when there is not a territorial conflict. There are already over 100 states who officially recognise Palestine as a state with embassies and ambassadors yet in practice Palestine is not a state as it does not operate like a state

The issue is that of sovereignty, the state of Palestine has Jerusalem as its capital. Currently Jerusalem is under Israeli control and other parts of the Palestinian territory that was set out after the British mandate are under control of other state actors. Palestine cannot be a true sovereign state until such a time as it has control over its claimed territory. Its new status at the UN may help in this claim as it enables them to go to the International Criminal Court to pursue Israel for occupying its territories. Such a move will aggravate peace talks and could even cause more violence as Israel may wish to show force, it will also complicate the talks and that is why I fundamentally disagree with it, I do not think the ICC will do anything to help Palestine only get in the way of peace talks.