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Originally posted by new_here
Originally posted by maryhinge
reply to post by AfterInfinity
my dad made a pact with his dad that if one died before the other
he would come back and tell the other so when granddad died
he never showed up so my dad always said when your dead your dead
then nan died last year and after the service had passed and
ashes put with granddads weeks had gone by when one day
he was sat watching the tv (now dads not got very good eyes
since his mini strokes)out the corner of his eye
he spots nan stood in the doorway to the living room
my mum was there she never saw nan
but he gets up walks up to nan and says its time to go now mum
and she vanished,sadly he thinks it was all in his head
when my mums dad died this was before i was born(im 42)
granddad haunted my mum for months the only place he
could not follow her was half way up the stairs
he never spoke and one day mum said dad just go please
and he never came back
just thought id put that out there
Reminds me of a family story of my own...
My Mom's mother died 3 months b/f I was born.
Back then, when giving birth, the idiot doctors would put a woman under anesthesia and use forceps to deliver the baby. (Obviously they were men, or they would know that being unconscious would be helpful during the horrible contractions and NOT the pushing stage, but whatever.)
So anyway, after the birth (of ME!) but still while she was under... she had a vision of her mother materializing thru the window of the 2nd story hospital room. Reportedly, her mother said, "Come with me, Adell... it's beautiful up here..." To which my mother recounts saying, "No, I have this new baby to take care of, and my three other children."
Now this could well be chalked up to a dream-like state, were it not for the words of the lady who shared her room. She said the alarm went off, and people rushed in, and they had trouble getting my mother awake and/or keeping her conscious. At one point the lady said she heard a doctor say "We're losing her..." But suddenly she snapped out of it, and no more problems.
Also, when my mother got home from the hospital with me, she started to sit in the rocking chair with me, which is where my grandmother always sat; and my sister- two years old screamed "No, don't sit on Grandma!"
Things that make you go hmmm...
Originally posted by Hijinx
Originally posted by maryhinge
reply to post by Hijinx
i had sage once before it was taboo its what indians put in their pipes
(of the cow boys and indians type)
and i swear i felt my soul it was so fantastic and scary at the same time
now i know why they called it the peace pipe
anyway thats how i detected/believed in my soul
when you think about it maybe thats why they killed off
many of the indians and their way to live of the landedit on 29/11/2012 by maryhinge because: (no reason given)
Okay, don't get me wrong here, because there is evidence to suggest the effects of certain herbs and drugs heighten our senses, but is it also possible the Herbs created a hallucination or sensation you interpreted as your soul? I personally have a hard time taking anything anyone says about spirits, souls, paranormal while using a substance to achieve that ability. How do you know you are not just high out of your mind? Not saying you were in this instance, but I hear stories all the time of people taking powerful hallucinogens and claiming they experienced god.
Originally posted by Xaphan
Originally posted by maryhinge
i had sage once before it was taboo its what indians put in their pipes
(of the cow boys and indians type)
I thought they smoked tobacco through those peace pipes
WOW
let me share this with you
when my twins were born alfie came first (8lb 7oz) apgar 9
20 mins later emily(7lb8oz) came breach (bum first) not breathing life less (apgar 3) and cold
the team were working on her and i could see the panic in their eyes as she lay there
on the heated bench one doing the heart thing and the other giving oxygen looking at
each other with that look of we have lost her
and then out of nowhere the door opens some old lady comes in leans over them
and smacks emily(which they are not allowed to do as its abuse:puz
the shock of being slapped made emily take her first breath and then cry
i remember shouting "thats what i want to here"
and then the old lady left the room straight away we never got to know who she was
to this day i believe it was her G A
10 min after she was apgar 9 and we came home the next day
ill never forget that
i know its off topic but i wanted to share this with you
Originally posted by Hijinx
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
I have posted on this topic before. I suppose I just need to keep it on my hard drive so I can post it over and over.
It starts with the Book of Genesis. God made man, breathed into the lifeless body the Breath of Life, and man became a living soul.
There you have it. People have been searching for the "soul" for centuries, but it turns out that you don't have a soul - you ARE a soul. Solved.
.......... really? Faith, I know is a powerful thing, but I can't follow the If you believe it its' true, if you don't you're going to hell mentality. A lot of religions are beautiful and wonderful, in some regards, but many have contradictions and holes that EXTREME believers abuse. As well, many holy texts have been diluted, rewritten, translated over and over. The message is beautiful, how true the word is to god, I don't know. I'm not overly religious, I don't necessarily believe in god as others have written him. I believe we came from a source of energy, that energy is in all of us and everything. What you call it, that's up to you. What it is, I don't know, nor do I know I ever will. Do I believe in a soul, I don't know, depends on what " The soul" is supposed to be. I'm curious to find that out how ever.
Your faith is yours, and I do not wish to challenge it. If the answer you have provided satisfies you, I'm happy for you but for me it is not an answer. It's a proclamation. Thank you for your input, I do value it but unfortunately religion does not provide answers for my needs.
Thank you again, and I do appreciate it. I'm sorry if I came off raw or rude, It truly is not my intention.
Very interesting indeed, so I suppose we've deducted the soul is our consciousness at this time. Would our consciousness, memories, experiences be retained when they exit the body? The article seems to base this theory around the idea our brain is a biological computer, with in which the consciousness exists. So when it leaves the body, does it retain it's capabilities as in life?
Originally posted by PrimeLight
reply to post by Hijinx
Very interesting indeed, so I suppose we've deducted the soul is our consciousness at this time. Would our consciousness, memories, experiences be retained when they exit the body? The article seems to base this theory around the idea our brain is a biological computer, with in which the consciousness exists. So when it leaves the body, does it retain it's capabilities as in life?
Yes on both counts, though my shared perspective does not matter, what matters is that you are willing to Seek and therein will you eventually come to the element of Truth in diligence and sincere yearning in a hunger. I personally choose to knock on our Creator's Door for my Revelation (in prayer that He leads my path in a pure undoubting trust) and only included that piece because the modern world tends to listen moreso to men of science than men of faith who have been Rewarded in Ways at times not understood. I have aimed in Guidance to be rooted in the True Word of the Kingdom with it's Rewards of discernment Granted bestowed by the Holy Spirit which does the real Work in us (to see through the many deceptions here) for those in faith that turn to it's Power of Glory, that it may Guide Truly our consciousness in this world and beyond when we bear with it in adherence and trust (or lack of Trust in ignore-ance), and striving for obedience to what is Divinely Instilled in that Knowledge. The Kingdom knows our thoughts and our hearts and offers Gifts in many Ways according to such. It is your choice also to dismiss these words or to attempt to seek the veracity in them with a sincere and humble heart willing to take a 'leap of faith' in further attempts to discover the meaning in Truth of this existence and journey in balance, full of Divine wonders and despair.
In essence of Truth, this world is moreso the dream than the afterlife, where the veils are moreso lifted--therefore everything we do here matters absolutely because our souls have been planted in His garden in His Creation (including this current biological body we temporarily dwell in) to bear fruit and not be choked by the thorns of deception and strife by the forces of opposition here in universal balance.
The truth in this state of 'human' being is not always pleasant and that is why the temptation to shun it in this 'fallen' state of the world is so strong in many who cleave only to their most carnal senses without acknowledging the many Mysteries we are all Called to Seek.
Blessings to you on your path of seeking brother, because you come across as genuinely sincere in that position.
christianbookshelf.org...edit on 1-12-2012 by PrimeLight because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 0mage
instruments will only detect pressure.
u will know the soul when you feel it.
the commenters on the thread all have good input but each also has placed in their statements some assumptions. forgiveable as they are blind and without feeling. not feeling to iron it all out now but to answer the OP.
in the same way the touch of a living organism can be distinguished from the touch of a dead or inanimate object. a living being can detect the touch of the soul and differentiate it from the touch of 'pressure'. which scientists will dance around without explaining the answer to a direct question of "what is pressure" for ages(off topic).
Originally posted by Hijinx
That was beautiful, absolutely brilliant words. I'm near speechless. I've said it a few times through out the thread. I am not out to discredit faith, nor do I frown upon those that have it. I believe faith is what drives us, and when we really sit down to analyze it, it's the unknown itself that motivates and drives us forward. We live in a wonderfully beautiful world, full of so many questions and so many more answers. I can't help but be curious, and I've had many on the religious side of things strike me down for my questions, but I truly mean know harm I'm just looking to find my own understanding.
Thank you very very much for your participation, your words quite literally warmed my heart.
Originally posted by LittleByLittle
Originally posted by 0mage
instruments will only detect pressure.
u will know the soul when you feel it.
the commenters on the thread all have good input but each also has placed in their statements some assumptions. forgiveable as they are blind and without feeling. not feeling to iron it all out now but to answer the OP.
in the same way the touch of a living organism can be distinguished from the touch of a dead or inanimate object. a living being can detect the touch of the soul and differentiate it from the touch of 'pressure'. which scientists will dance around without explaining the answer to a direct question of "what is pressure" for ages(off topic).
Soul, grace, spirits and light are just words and intellectual things until you experiance it. People/humans make understanding difficult since the have not quantified the different definitions in a good way so you can scientificlly/with a ego disconnected mind really evaluate where you are, what you are and what you have experianced and as long as the definitions are different not real understanding by those who have not experianced it will be made. The one who is seeking and have not found will make a big deal of experiances striving to get them. The one who have experianced will after a while think of it as the new Normal and not think so much about it.
You can intellectually know, read and understand everything about how to swim in the mind. But the experiance of swimming is something else.
But then Omage we both know you "KNOW" a few things that not all people around you have experianced and that is why you are sometimes feel disconnected even angry at people because of fustration of them not getting you. Or am I reading you wrong and maybe even projecting?
I love you in my own way Omage .