Back to the Sun

Counting sunspots by the Wolf method - properly - they know full well that this is going to be the lowest Solar Max for a while (it may even have already passed) and that for the next 40 years or possibly even 100 years the output of the Sun is going to be much lower. It is called a Dalton or a Maunder Minimum, or even a Landscheidt Minimum or in common parlance a "mini ice age".

Already we see it. Early heavy snows etc. It will be a while but the Polar ice that has been to these levels before (look up the early 1900s) will return. Oil and Gas exploration companies hoping for a clear north pole have already been stymied in their exploration attempts and it is my feeling that this will continue.

We are not going to see ice caps like in THE ice age but it is going to be very much colder. Already I have seen evidence of people saying they want out to warmer areas but they cannot afford to do it.

USA, China and Russia
The Governments of these countries are fully aware of the change in the Sun that is going to cool things down. The USA builds shelters to protect the elite and the Government. Russia builds shelters for the same reason, but purports to allow space for some ordinary people as well. China builds cities in Africa where it will still be warm. Wonder why that is?

Are these shelters built for them to survive the colder decades? No they are not. Eventually they will move themselves out to South American areas already purchased for the purpose and other similar places such as Africa.

Why to they do nothing about Africa? Because the populations are expendable. Only a certain number need be retained as slaves.

So if the shelter are not for long term survival what are they for?

Short term survival whilst the hordes who were not able to remove themselves to warmer climes stumble around and eventually kill each other off or die from the cold.

As the colder mini ice age comes wind turbines will fail. There is no longer any sufficient backup to replace the wholesale failure of wind energy even though it only provides a small portion at present of the total power requirement. But they are working on it still - the proportion needs to be bigger. This is why belief in climate change is paramount to the plans. Wind and other useless "sustainable" energy MUST be installed. Nuclear power MUST be abandoned. They cannot have an efficient reasonably uninterruptible power source. Coal stations MUST go to further reduce reliability and conveniently they produce CO2 so the are bad evil nasty things.

It will only take a minor grid failure before the system starts to collapse. I worked in the power generation industry in Ireland for 5 years and I have seen the effect of wind power on the system. We now have 20% wind power and are heading for 30%. This is nothing to do with the agenda, it is just because the Irish Government has got bitten by the AGW bug as have most European countries, which is very convenient for the agenda.

Ireland goes on Orange alert more often than most people realise. Orange alert is when power generation is critically close to system demand. Red alert is the inability to supply demand and that is when the rolling blackouts start.

A simple thing like a power station trip (failure to generate or to control resulting in instant disconnection from the grid) could set the whole ball rolling in the blink of an eye.

High pressure system overhead. Very cold day. Wind turbines stopped or frozen. Coal stations shut. CCGT station (gas) trips. Bang! Grid section goes down. Automated power balancing attempts to rectify the power grid and trips another station. Now you are in a cascade and the power supply is failing over a wide area. People need heat and their central heating systems are useless without power. Hours pass and it gets colder and colder. Two days pass and people are hungry and cold. Shops cannot open, food supplies are short. The vulnerable are starting to die. The longer the situation continues the worse it gets. For most travel to the South and on to Mexico if necessary is impossible for fuel (gasoline/diesel) is not available as the pumps need power to operate.

Ah but here comes the Government in the USA to provide relief in the FEMA camps. But they are dysfunctional because of the power outages. The prepared are fighting off the unprepared. Anarchy reigns.

Similar situation occur in Russia and China.

continued in next post.....because not enough space for this short reply

In Europe, where no provision has been made for the population, those who can escape the cold to the South of Europe and find shelter in the Spanish complexes that have been built and are unoccupied will do so. France can hold out longer than most with 80% of it's power from nuclear energy. All it needs to do is to switch off the Interconnectors to other countries to stem the power outflow and most of its needs will be satisfied.

The loss of the Interconnector would exacerbate the power supply situation in the UK and in its turn the power supply in Ireland through the North/South interconnector and East/West. These are laughingly supposed to supply Irish wind power to the UK. In ice age conditions this won't happen.

When those who are unable to escape have died off, and that will be many in the northern countries, they way is clear to exit the shelters and leave to warmer areas. You may think that Icelanders, Swedes, Norwegians etc will survive but the modern people of those lands are just as susceptible to the cold without power as are the Canadians and US and Russia for we have all been weaned on power and we don't know what to do without it.

Africa is a good place for the elite to go. Remember that these people are descendants of a class that took slavery form the Arabs and turned it into a global industry. They don't need or care about all the N words in Africa. They will be enslaved again, but this time in their own country.

The big problem is the Arabs. They have the oil but really just don't fit into the grand scheme. (Please remember here I am thinking as I consider they think and this is NOT how I think). They are basically a pest and need to be removed. This can and will be achieved by a Middle East conflagration which will leave the Elite in charge of the countries and the resources.

So the 'pattern' that I see is.....

Middle East....boom
Power generation to dangerously unstable levels of sustainability
Prepare warmer clime accommodations
Shelters ready for short term
Sit back and wait for the cold

....here it comes.....

Originally posted by pheonix358
I have asked Puterman to join us. He has a wealth of information and can possibly answer some interesting questions.

I do not believe in co-incidence. Not in these sort of discussions. Mexico had a fairly recent Earthquake where there was some damage. They just happened to have an Earthquake drill on that day. Earthquake drills are not that common anywhere.

Seriously I do consider that to be 'happenstance'.

So can the powers that be predict some earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. Not the little ones, the big ones. Are they suppressing data on their computer modelling abilities. I am not referring to predicting time and date events although they may have the ability to say, soon, and as the event is about to happen can they say now or today!

Difficult one that. To a degree we can say a particular area is 'due' a quake because of either carefully modelled stress or just simple statistics. Do they have better models they are hiding? No I don't think so. One of the reasons that I don't think this is so is because many of the best brains in seismic analysis are Japanese and Russian and not American. The Japanese in particular have one of the best seismic systems in the world as well, as well as one of the best earthquake warning systems. I don't believe it would be possible to derive better algorithms and keep them quiet, and anyway I don't believe that Mama Earth actually cares about their algorithms anyway. How many times are scientists 'surprised' by earthquakes? Many.

One has to consider that everything that is known about earthquakes is about an event that occurs far below our feet. We can say "yes the Coulomb stress diagrams show that stress will have been transferred to this this and this fault" but at the end of the day these are calculations, models, and not facts. Look at the number of different versions of earthquake data we get from the same source data because different agencies are using different models. Sorry I am not the best conspiracy theorist!

While I am typing think of Chemtrails and why are they doing it. Is it simply a delaying tactic to allow more preparation time. If it is and if they are seriously trying to defer mother nature, then the event is damn close, danger close!

P

Being a bad conspiracy theorist I am probably going to be in a minority here. Yes chemicals are sprayed from aircraft. I know they are because I have been on aircraft spraying them. Are they nefarious clandestine geo-engineering projects? I don't believe so. Most are either cloud seeding or experimental.

Consider this. The volume of ash from a volcanic explosion that is sufficient to cause a global cooling is MASSIVE. We are talking about ejecta on a VEI 6 scale to have any big effect. That is 10 cubic kilometres of material - a massive amount. For a permanent reduction this would be needed every year possibly to maintain the cooling.

You cannot control it. It spreads where it will and will affect all areas and thus affect your chosen haven as well. The results of prolonged reduction could be catastrophic.

You might also ask yourself why this has not been done on a smaller scale? Basically because those in the know already know that it is not needed. The cooling job will be done for them. They just forgot to tell the likes of Bill Gates and so allow him to fantasize about saving the world with his projects. Keeps people distracted.

The only purpose I can see for laying chem trails in any great amount is for spreading viruses.

The bulk of what many point to as chemtrails are actually contrails but there seems to be a huge lack of understanding about how and when contrails form, and how long they can persist.

Just my 2c as you asked

Might aswell put some coincidence in here,

I do believe a whole generation is born with the mindset to be prepared, its seems there is a general concensus something big is headed our way, like the deer in the woods raising their ears, waiting to get the frack outa there.

Remember the movie 2012? Okay bad movie however some interesting things where mentioned.

Guess how to movie ends? Even better guess "where" the movie ends... In South Africa...

This is one of the greatest, informative, though provoking threads I have seen on this forum in my short time as a member here. As you can see I don't post often because my research capabilities are far below what I see here, therefore don't have much to offfer in most cases. I just wanted to say thanks for the well planned and presented information, and the follow-up from the other members. This stuff reads like a Tom Clancy novel: fiction so plausible it can't be shelved as out of the realm of possibility. Not saying what you present is fiction, rather the information is so good and well presented that is has to be considered at the very least...

S&F for you, Phoenix for a truly impressive piece of work
And I starred Puterman as well. His work is always interesting and convincing, IMHO.

BTW - my ex can beat up your ex, Phoenix!!

For all the people that are planing going south the north pole now is moving
at 40 miles per year now in the direction of russia. On a magnetic pole shift

The northern land mass will become the southern land mass and where is the seed bank

And the south area will become the north area and why is china going to Africa.

Guess I'm safe

Originally posted by Trillium
For all the people that are planing going south the north pole now is moving
at 40 miles per year now in the direction of russia. On a pole shift

The northern land mass will become the southern land mass and where is the seed bank

And the south area will become the north area and why is china going to Africa.

Guess I'm safe

Why do people keep saying the hemispheres are going to switch? That doesn't happen in a Pole Shift. The magnetic poles shift, it's not geologic. You're talking about Crust Displacement Theory.