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Abducted - kicking the horse

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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by TXRabbit
what ticks me off is the complete arrogance of "abduction victims" who completely discount the possibility of an explanation when presented from a scientific standpoint. I have a gut feeling that many of these people hold-true to their "experience" because it's something that sets them apart from everyone else in their hum-drum, boring and non-affected social-life. Believing in what they claim happened to them lets them think they're different and to present fact-based scientific possibilities for that comes across as an insult.
I feel the same way about the Near Death Experience people as well


Yes....we know something extraordinary happened to you. You say that you want nothing more than to UNDERSTAND what it was. Here......have a serving of "possible" explanations that we found based on scientific research and tests. What....you don't like that? Well then...why the F did you even ASK for help in trying to understand what happened.

Me too, it annoys me more than it should I think.
And there's the old, why not set up cameras in your bedroom?
I suppose it would be a bit of a blow to your ego, if you woke up after an "abduction", watched the footage back, and found you were safe and sound in bed the entire time.




posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Watching a video like this can be a little creepy, it jogs memories. Not quite his, and don't want hypnosis, though have considered it and especially for the older children, such as my now 21 year old. I see humans, a blond couple in a blue uniform. And other tall humans, big chested men. Women are always the technician/doctor and its usually gynelogical. Male guards or on craft tries to put you through mental images and raise hormones, and I tell them off, what a loving advanced being would do instead and resist. And was shown a few things.

Also the insect part of the body suit. It may be valid, perhaps there are advanced insectoid hybrid type beings. BUt if you read Sleeper/Lou Baldin, ETs use body suits with all kinds of "bells and whistles" like their crafts. And they can drop them like clothing and change body suits, so not sure that is who they are, what they may appear like.

The 30 foot craft seems to be the most common sighitng of the red lit craft we saw in size, but not like that inside. That he said it was 30 feet and 3 stories high right away gives the concept of something much larger inside than out. Infinity within and without. Horton Hears a Who!!! The kids movie. A grain of sand contains a potential infinity if used. And how much could be utilized inside the organic craft would depend on the Et. If you see it like a hardrive, with infinite capacity, it would make more sense as you could set up partitions and size them as you wish.

Lou Baldin's latest book really interested me. He speaks of activity in Asia during Vietnam and their recovered crafts that they couldn't get to work as they wanted to. And that rooms would appear and disappear and shift, that ETs and the captured renegades they took, along with perhaps even some abductees, were on board, but could not be accessed by the military. In fact if they wanted to put someone in a separate room so they would be out of the way, it was easily done.

And, that a few of these crafts would join together like a puzzle and lock into place, and this would open other compartments even.

Not what we think at all.

And the part about going through windows. When we all saw a very tall craft appear on the lake at my grandmothers, at night. It was a completely clear sky. Milky way overhead in the interior small town, semi desert, not like here, city glare and pollution/rain. One cloud behind her house. So this craft with a whitish tall light appeared, and flew soundlessly, rather low across the lake, directly over the house and disappeared permanently behind the one cloud, maybe 200-300 feet in the air. Kids scrambled, some went to balcony. My son who had missing time squinted and said, its a diamond shaped craft under that tall light.

Later that night youngest was afraid of windows and sleep and said, without reason or anyone telling him about windows, that he was afraid of being taken through the window again. He seemed to have a feeling about widows being scarey.
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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I can understand why a lot of abductees shy away from any psychological explanation. With an abduction tale they get to feel special, a member of a select few who have had a life changing experience. On the other hand, a psychological explanation means appointments, pills, constant monitoring of their mental state and the possibility of people viewing them unfavorably because of the diagnosis. In the real world I know which one is more frightening.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Not all of them are like that. There are plenty of people who have had those experiences, and stay rational minded, and able to consider all kinds of explanations, without jumping to any conclusions or beliefs.

I think sometimes it is hard to understand that for many of them, their experience was not all fuzzy and disjointed like a dream- for some it was as real as anything else that happens in your day- all sensual input is just as clear!
So it is very hard to hear the idea that it could have been a hallucination!

Because if they embrace that, they are forced then to admit the unreliable nature of every minute of living! Seeing (hearing, touching, tasting, smelling..) is NOT believing then, so in fact, we have no way at all to determine the difference between reality and illusion!!

That is pretty crazy making in itself... it is understandable that many might prefer to exclude that possibility so that at least they can compartmentalize and keep their belief in the rest of their day to day life and relations.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Slave2Fate
I can understand why a lot of abductees shy away from any psychological explanation. With an abduction tale they get to feel special, a member of a select few who have had a life changing experience. On the other hand, a psychological explanation means appointments, pills, constant monitoring of their mental state and the possibility of people viewing them unfavorably because of the diagnosis. In the real world I know which one is more frightening.


I cannot speak for all, but this is not the case for me!

See, if one embraces the idea that the experience is purely psychological in nature, then there is hope that one can have power over it- with treatment of some sort. It also would mean that there is not a real physical risk, so it is preferable and calming, as opposed to the idea of a physical ET interaction. Of the two I prefer the psycho explanation!



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Just took the survey you posted.
It is literally impossible for someone not interested in the UFO phenomenon to get "abducted" coincidence?
Some of the questions are especially amusing.
3 Do you feel you are psychic?
4 Do you secretly feel you are special or chosen?
11 As a child or adult, did you ever hear a voice inside your head talking to you which wasn't your own?

I've seen a UFO how come I haven't been abducted?
Is the reason because I don't hear voices?



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Bluesma
I cannot speak for all, but this is not the case for me!

See, if one embraces the idea that the experience is purely psychological in nature, then there is hope that one can have power over it- with treatment of some sort. It also would mean that there is not a real physical risk, so it is preferable and calming, as opposed to the idea of a physical ET interaction. Of the two I prefer the psycho explanation!


That is why I didn't say all abductees. Of the few abductees I have met though, they were absolutely terrified of the thought that they might have some type of mental disorder and in need of treatment. Not being able to trust your own mind is something very few people are willing to admit, let alone face.
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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Since no one is giving a transcript and many just ignore or reject out of hand, I'll continue in bits as I listen and take notes. It's a little slower this way. But I'll also add my points at the end.

So from nearly 11 minutes to 15, he recounts a very emotional experience in which he suffered pain, because it was more of a exraction of his body material. Different group, Elohim. Humanity is getting an upgrade and 2/3 rds of humanity are involved, 1/3 being directly abducted by them for this. Evolution does not occur gradually, it takes leaps suddenly.

Also, the one presenting this video talks about him "channeling" and that is not the case.

He is in fact in communication with them, a more conscious level, able to give what they will allow him to give.
There is No Time. When you remote view a freind's abduction, you are not seeing it as a vision of the past, as I had thought unfortunately, but you can get pulled directly into the now of the moment. And when that occurs, you were there in his "past" experience of that abduction.

So, this is akin to what Dolores Cannon in her regressions has encountered where she found herself directly in communication with ET during the remembered abductions, in real time, not past not channeling. Real current communication.



--16 again. Oh this is just another big genetic material. This is something that hurt me, theyr'e taking # out of me.

(move away from it, just observe. Rather than be a part of it, I want you to observe it from a distance)

Who else is there, in terms of beings what kinds of beings? 3 kinds of beings. They're different this time, not the same beings. He says some are the same, the small bugs are still there. But the taller ones, they're telling me Elohim.

And who are the Elohim? The Creators. The creators of? Human. We're in for an upgrade. Humans in for an upgrade, evolution hasn't gone the way humans think it has. It goes big, it doesnt steadily go, it goes Bang, its there, and Im part of it.

Can you ask them, how many people are a part of that program, John? 2/3rds of humanity. Varying degrees.

How many are directly involved with this program in terms of abduction? 1/3.

Are you saying that one third of humans are involved in an abduction program? Yes!...They use chemical gateways to block the memory. My accident's broken the gateway. I had an accident 6 months ago. It nearly killed me. It opened the gateway and they can't close it properly. I'm always seeing things I shouldn't. So they're helping me. They saved me.

They saved you? They're going, we saved you!

Is this related to your accident? Yes! I should have died.

Ok John, I want you to go to the end of this experience with them, just relax, calm down now. Just move away from it.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
Since no one is giving a transcript and many just ignore or reject out of hand...



Well, if you are so intent on wading through what could very possibly be some people spinning wild yarns then go right ahead. That's exactly what the ETH and UFOlogy need, more words.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Really mixed feelings about this one. These are the Royal Zeta Reticuli. Part of the group known as the annanuki and not really sure of the information but not completely put off by them as those who have told me some of this, and that they're the bad guys here, do seem to have military backgrounds and I just recall love myself, and was never really allowed too much medical memories. The moon has some of their bases. And when he gives rather in depth info, I get this really strong guarded feeling that its not supposed to be given and shared. And it feels classified, not our kind but theirs. And the computer and power went out. Don't think this is 2012, but something that will take a lot longer, and to me, that would be out of body experience, ie. you pass over and then go further.


(starting at 15 min) ---Want you to move now to the next most signficant event.

--How old are you now John? 44!

What are you doing? Smoking on the balcony. Looking over the something hills....3 lights. Oh there they are, they're here. They've come back. They're here. (this time he is smiling and a little more happy).

Alright, alright. That's fine.

What are they telling you John? They're telling me to go and tell Stephanie my friend's here and I'll be a little while. … and I've got my friend outside talking to me. Stephanie knows of my missing time.

What is today? 23Rd of July. He keeps saying 07 until the regressionist understands.

Who is talking to you now? Armesis.

And who is Armesis? My savior, its' my guide.

You call him your savior? In what way? His manifestations extend. Elohim. Very nice, beautiful person. Full of love.

Your relationship with people seemed to have a changed a lot, John, since you were 16? Yes yes, they've imparted a lot of information to me. And me back to them. I've helped on the grand scheme of things. It's just about time for the unveiling.

What is the unveiling, John? The genetic upgrade of the human being. The star children. The fight, the war.

What fight? What war? The war for the control of humanity. What we call good and evil. There are more than one entity out there. And for us to survive and surpass, I have to help these, I have to help the Elohim upgrade us very very very quickly in 2 or 3 generations. I'm a second generation, my son's third.

The transfer of information. I'm not allowed to know it yet. Im back. Almost like no times gone by. The smokes are where I left it. Hi darling I'm back.


---nearly 20 minutes. You're talking to your subconscious, John. Are there any other incidents you would like to recall?

Just don't worry about it darling, its alright. It's alright, we're protected.

OK, can you tell me what's happening? Stephanie saying, what she called a really big orb outside. It's something's disc in flight.

Is this an energy orb? Yes.

How big is it? 200-300 feet....as big as the moon.
What's the year? 2008.

And the date? March 12.

So what's this orb represent to you? Being watched.

Why was it important for Stephanie to see it? I was supposed to see it too. She called me but I was too long.

She saw it but you didn't? Yes. Nothing to worry about. They can't hurt us. They're too strong.

Who's they? Zeta Reticuli. You know, you know them as the greys. They formed an alliance here on earth with certain parties. It's alright. Everything will be alright. Let them do their damage. We'll fix it. And human will have power beyond anything we've ever known. If anything our food will be light and sound. We'll be able to levitate, we'll live for up to 5000 years. And we'll become happy. When this kicks in, it will be quick. The time is near. What you once called angels are now called aliens. We're all real. We've been here for you whole lifetime. Time for you to join the stars. It's time for the bad to leave and the good in humanity to come out. It's time to rise.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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heya s2f... good to see u too
welcome to ats


couldn't agree more regarding plasmas... but i would reserve the judgement on probability, in the sense that i don't put much stock in most of the stories out there (not saying that u are
)... though there are cases which do fit the profile rather nicely... for the most part i believe that people are hoaxing and that to some extent the rest can be be explained through other psychological means i.e. sleep paralysis, etc...



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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A little ironic that we know each other from a different board and you are the first person to welcome me to ATS.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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In the hypnosis interview, Amesis messed up when asked about the pyramids. He said "they don't want you and ah ah...you and I to know about it " Speaking from John in the first person. The skeptic repeated back "you and I?.
Amesis "yes"
Skeptic, "you mean you and..."
Amesis, "John"

Busted in my opinion. Amesis should have corrected the skeptic by saying "Not me, you and John". Follow? But he didn't. By finishing the skeptic's sentence with John's name, he's saying the following statement is true. The scientists don't want Amesis and John. Also, another big flag is when John stuttered briefly when he went ah ah, pausing enough to realize that "I" would be the incorrect pronoun but continued anyway also realizing that any deviation from the line of thought would cause doubt.


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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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Most all space alien contact scenarios can be attributed to personal subjective psychological phenomenon.



When you explain Betty and Barney hill then you can go ahead with all your know it all mumbo-jumbo. Granted 65-70 % of the cases can be explained by what you call a schitzo disorder of some kind, a good amount of cases are simply unaccounted for, we really dont know wtf happened all we have is eye witness/ personnel account detail of the situation. Also the ease in which u dismiss this people as schizto's or crazies is absurd, it seems to me you make your biased simple minded opinions off half based research you do.!!



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by ContractedMercenary



Most all space alien contact scenarios can be attributed to personal subjective psychological phenomenon.



When you explain Betty and Barney hill then you can go ahead with all your know it all mumbo-jumbo. Granted 65-70 % of the cases can be explained by what you call a schitzo disorder of some kind, a good amount of cases are simply unaccounted for, we really dont know wtf happened all we have is eye witness/ personnel account detail of the situation. Also the ease in which u dismiss this people as schizto's or crazies is absurd, it seems to me you make your biased simple minded opinions off half based research you do.!!


I would suggest you read some of the following:

Betty Hill wrote to Donald Keyhoe who, despite the fact that he received over a hundred letters a day, homed in on this initially unremarkable case. (At that stage, the Hills remembered only the UFO sighting, not the abduction.) Within 24 hours, Keyhoe had arranged for the Hills to be visited by top-level scientists, including C.D. Jackson, who had previously (definitely not coincidentally) worked on psychological warfare techniques for President Eisenhower. Stretching coincidence far beyond breaking point, Jackson already knew Major MacDonald, with whom he next interviewed the Hills. Most importantly, it was Jackson who drew the Hills' attention to their missing time period; until he did so, the couple had not realised that their memories of that fateful night were incomplete. It was Jackson who suggested hypnotic regression as a means of unlocking it. It was Jackson who then arranged for one of the Army's top psychiatric experts to undertake the regression (as if a civilian expert was not available?), under which the full story of the joint abduction “emerged”. However, as many researchers have since demonstrated, a careful review of the timings actually shows that there was no missing time at all.

source



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Druscilla

Originally posted by ContractedMercenary



Most all space alien contact scenarios can be attributed to personal subjective psychological phenomenon.



When you explain Betty and Barney hill then you can go ahead with all your know it all mumbo-jumbo. Granted 65-70 % of the cases can be explained by what you call a schitzo disorder of some kind, a good amount of cases are simply unaccounted for, we really dont know wtf happened all we have is eye witness/ personnel account detail of the situation. Also the ease in which u dismiss this people as schizto's or crazies is absurd, it seems to me you make your biased simple minded opinions off half based research you do.!!


I would suggest you read some of the following:




As well as you sweetheart


www.amazon.com...

See what i did, we can do this all day. How about one of these times you actually ponder up a thought and not copy paste a reply. All i ever see you do is make half butt claims with mediocre sources as your reply. This is a discussion forum, instead of only replying when u can argue with people how about adding to the topic with an idea or two of your own!



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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The rest is his channeling that guy, his Guide. And its quite interesting. So the zeti reticulite are cleared up, they're the bad guys, from the moon, which I thought, the controllers, guiding nations and kings. Kind of fluid imbibers.

The elohim are ones that met with president eisenhower. And want no nuclear. They said that the zeta have exchanged toys that can sometimes harm them, but rarely do, for keeping nuclear and oil.

Roswell was Zeta, and an exchange of information, and that forced their hand to come in, and try to negotiate with the leaders to not use harmful technology. Toys in warring hands are not good. Because the other side was giving them what the military and leaders wanted, they are hunted down in the skies frequently.

In the end what he said at the end was true, because it doesnt matter who believes, whether they get glimpses under the veil, if we go into a harsh system or a better one, in the short run, ie. which side wins the war above us, for our souls are learning love and to learn and progress, and souls are not bodies/humans or earthlings. But that information was more what I knew.

Really enjoyed the video. He has a lot of markers in his story.

And the very fearful earlier experiences/abductions were with zeta, then the good guys as he got more awareness, a near death experience. Which woke him up more. This is quite common. Having both sides.


It matters not whether people believe or not believe. It matters not that we're at war. It matters not that humanity is the prize. All that matters is that it keeps going. And it keeps evolving. And it keeps learning to love and it keeps loving to learn. And it will.


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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Yes I noticed this also
The spirit guide explains it was because he let John answer some of the questions.
And the other part that make me skeptic if anything is that he have to think a a lot before he can say what year it is when he travels back to a earlier time in he´s life. besides from that he is very convincing, OR a extreme good actor



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