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Originally posted by boncho
Where does the quantum world stop and the N/R world start?
Where atoms form.
I agree that it's a little confusing, and it kinda makes you when you are not a bonafide pHd holder of MIT, but hey, us layman sometimes gotta show our respect for the other guys.
The very fact that beneath the atomic layers, the properties of that space being different is not that confounding.
Take a look at this (2012 in science) en.wikipedia.org... Incredible breakthroughs and advances in all branches of science...What has your new age mumbo jumbo given the world this year? or any other year....
Science itself is broken.
An international team of astronomers report that each star in the Milky Way Galaxy may host "on average ... at least 1.6 planets", suggesting that over 160 billion star-bound planets may exist in our galaxy alone. The team used gravitational microlensing to discover the gravitational effects of planets orbiting distant stars.
Originally posted by LittleByLittle
Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by Ghost375
Saying "it's broken" instead of saying "we don't know enough about it" is rather ignorant.
What we do know is a dichotomy that indicates that somewhere, a major theoretical construct has to be entirely un-learned to allow us to advance.
They cannot both be right.
The right seeker of truth will not care about previous conditioning and will find new things. Einstein is a great example of that. But stuburn people like that is less usual that the followers of indoctrination.
Originally posted by BlueMule
Science itself is broken. Despite the way the 'hooray for our side' Higgs-Boson parties made it seem a short while ago.
Science advances funeral by funeral. When the 'old guard' has finally died off and taken their taboos and prejudices and pride with them, science will be able to begin healing.
edit on 28-11-2012 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jimmyx
my 2 cents
isn't the reason that further physics modeling and theory leading to a "truth or fact", is being done entirely through the use of mathmatical equations, is that trying to explain what is happening in nature is otherwise beyond the normal scope of learning and/or verifiable testing?
Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by boncho
Where does the quantum world stop and the N/R world start?
Where atoms form.
I agree that it's a little confusing, and it kinda makes you when you are not a bonafide pHd holder of MIT, but hey, us layman sometimes gotta show our respect for the other guys.
The very fact that beneath the atomic layers, the properties of that space being different is not that confounding.
I would argue that bonafide pHd's (which I am not, BTW - but I travel in the same square circles) have been "drinking the coolaid" so long they have forgotten the doublethink.
Originally posted by chr0naut
We need to admit that at a very fundamental level, the science of Physics is broken.
...
In the Quantum world, everything is stochastic in nature. Everything arises from the forces of randomness and probability.
Effects can be un-caused, a fact which we can measure and verify, but not explain, because there is NO explanation.
Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by Ghost375
Saying "it's broken" instead of saying "we don't know enough about it" is rather ignorant.
What we do know is a dichotomy that indicates that somewhere, a major theoretical construct has to be entirely un-learned to allow us to advance.
They cannot both be right.
Originally posted by chr0naut
reply to post by NorEaster
Despite the sagacity and mellifluousness of other posts, it is plain that modern Physics is as broken now as Aristotelian Physics was in the past. Until we can see how ridiculous are the conclusions we are likely to build from this fragmented conceptual mess, we cannot have the moral strength to call the emperor out on his nakedness.
Originally posted by 0mage
Originally posted by chr0naut
Originally posted by Ghost375
Saying "it's broken" instead of saying "we don't know enough about it" is rather ignorant.
What we do know is a dichotomy that indicates that somewhere, a major theoretical construct has to be entirely un-learned to allow us to advance.
They cannot both be right.
yes they can. what ur missing. is the bridge! but u call that bridge 'nothing'. LOLedit on 30-11-2012 by 0mage because: (no reason given)
In the Quantum world, everything is stochastic in nature. Everything arises from the forces of randomness and probability. Effects can be un-caused, a fact which we can measure and verify, but not explain, because there is NO explanation.