What Percent of ATS Members believe that the U.S. has recovered E.T. Craft and Tech? [results], page 34

Originally posted by AllenBishop
It's obvious to me that the UFO phenomenon is still occurring, but yet there are almost ZERO reports of crashes. So, either the military has gotten better at recovering downed discs, or the UFO occupants have honed their flying skills over the last 65 years...

I'm also trying to determine how traveling through interstellar/dimensional space, moving at light speed, etc. can be achieved successfully, but a simple lightning strike or "radar dish" can bring a craft down.

Captain Cook travelled intercontinentally with advanced propulsion for the time. He had advanced celestial navigation, clocks and artillery. He was killed by an angry native on some island who whacked his head with a club.

Now I agree with your skepticism, but you can imagine that if hypothetically ETs were coming here and then visiting in their scout craft, they might not have expected powerful continuous sinusoidal microwaves. In their world, such beams would be illegal for the problems they could induce in vehicles. Note also that by 1947, humans had radically increased the power and capability of their radar systems from just a few years earlier thanks to the perfection of the cavity magnetron. The suddenly unexpectedly powerful CW radar could have upset some navigation equipment.

And perhaps even for ET interstellar travel and gravitational crafts are advanced, difficult, expensive and fiddly technology. Humans have had very very expensive remote craft crash on Mars because of a simple failure of a switch or sensor on the descent just a few meters above the surface.

Let's argue that the US *does* have operational alien hardware at its disposal, what's the point of the secrecy? Why not break out some Flying Saucers and take over the planet? We didn't waste so much as a minute, going from experimental (Trinity) to operational (Hiroshima), and, pardon me for being smug, but I find nuclear weaponry a more dangerous technological development than a fast-moving aircraft.

The US already outspends its competition by magnitudes militarily, so what's the point of sitting on advanced aeronautical designs for over a half-century? If we were deep into the research, and had produced functional designs, short of enemy recovery and reverse-engineering, we'd have a 65 year head start.

I mostly agree with you but there can be an alternate hypothesis. Suppose the 'reverse engineering' gets shunted off into a very deep black agency and institution. For security nearly all ties to the regular military are cut. Now continue for 50 years. Now, nobody has any authority or knowledge to move it back over! Everybody is doing their own jobs but there's nobody there who knows everything and has authority to tell the elected civilian government and even let them do this. It could have morphed into its own hermetic bubble, bumping along and making slow progress but without sufficient funding, scale or connection to the real scientific world.

Another consideration: suppose there are some new physical principles to enable warp drive or whatever. What's the chance that such physics also might be easily repurposed to very dangerous weapons of mass destruction?

We are very lucky with nuclear weapons. Today, the basic technology for a Hiroshima style bomb is easily within the grasp of any significant organization with a moderate level of ability, e.g. the technology to build artillery. The problem is that the fissile material is extremely expensive and difficult to extract and requires a huge infrastructure. Suppose it weren't so. Suppose full scale nuclear weapons could be developed using naturally occurring uranium, i.e. mostly U-238? What that world be like? It could be disasterous---IRA, Taliban, al-Qaeda would already have a number of bombs---and somebody like Iran could make thousands. Dozens of cities over the last few decades would already have been obliterated. Uranium mines in Africa would be invaded and destroyed by external forces---and no nuclear power reactors would have been built because the infrastructure for just making reactor uranium could be so easily diverted to weapons.

Suppose hypothetically, knowing the physics for a nice flying saucer could also make H-bomb level weaponry without requiring any extremely expensive materials, just some unusual and clever application of standard industrial compounds.

What would you do? Maybe a cover-up is a really really good idea.

I find it more likely that we have conventional aircraft, albeit of a sufficiently advanced nature, that, say China or Russia could rip off rather easily, if enough information was divulged.

If we'd been undergoing over a half-century's worth of research into some sort of advanced propulsion system, snatched up from little green men, shouldn't there be some sort of demonstrable hardware to show for it? Either that, or in 65 years we have gotten absolutely NOWHERE in the research, so there was no choice but to keep it hidden.

I'm not attempting to be "Debbie Downer", but I haven't seen anything that could fully convince me that the US has recovered alien hardware in its arsenal. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but there ain't no smoking gun, as far as I'm concerned.

edit on 12-12-2012 by AllenBishop because: Typing on a smartphone is not easy.

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