Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Originally posted by Ismail
Why are we still voting then ?
You don't have to be genius to understand that economic imperatives always trump the well being of the public, and left wing as right wing
governements alike are subjected to the same economic constraints. Why then are we so surprised when parties change but policies don't ?
If you have an economic system were mathematically, a few will end up being rich, and if being rich is being powerfull, and if the powerfull write the
laws as they always have, then why is it not self-evident that the circle cannot be broken by reform or new laws. While this economic system stands,
nothing will ever change.
So again, why do we continue to validate a system that doesn't work by giving it our vote ? And why aren't we adressing the motivation behind
governement policy for what it is : economics ?
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Largely because, despite internet heroics, most people don't really have the stomach for the realities of a revolution. Also, it's easy to question
the legitimacy of revolutions.
Voting and democracy is still a useful tool but we're not using it properly. With enough people, it's possible to change the nature of parties. For
example, if enough people became party members, there'd be enough internal pressure to drag New Labour back to being a left wing party who would go
against the economic paradigms of the last 30 years. A reinstating and implementation of Clause IV in Labour's constitution would be a massive changer
and create a new/old system.
I do appreciate what you're saying though, I make a similar argument regarding foreign aid. It's basically exporting a broken political/economic model
to countries that would be better off without the strings that come with 'development' aid.
I live in France, people voted in a left wing governement. Nothing has changed, and nothing will. It's not due to a lack of people in the parties, the
people in the parties (I know a few who have their socialist party card) are just as dissapointed as the rest.
Politicians are showmen. They say what they need to say to get elected. I don't blame them, it's their job. I even believe that most of them are
sincere, to some extent. But when they come to power, they have to contend with reality. Economic reality. And all their sweet promises go to hell. Oh
sure, we're going to make gay marriage legal. I'm all for that. But that's not a policy.
All the stauch republicans (in France that means means partisans of the republic, not right wing) that I know say the same thing you do. And year in,
year out, nothing changes. I took great hope in the new political wave over in latin-america. That's all going to hell as well.
So at what point, looking back at centuries of the same pyramidal organisation, at the same mistakes that are being repeated over and over again, are
we going to wise up and say : "It's not the politicians fault and it's not the people's fault, because they have all changed over time. It must have
something to do with our underlying economic system because that is what motivates political decision" ?
I'm not talking revolution here. I don't believe in revolution, because history has shown that revolution does not work either. I'm saying we just
need to say no. Stop working, stop voting until the whole thing grinds to a halt, and we can finally collectively come to some sort of decision that
does not lead to more of the same.
Our economic system is not economical at all. It is wastefull, polluting, and harmfull, and we need to change it. Because THAT is what pulls people
out of their beds every morning, THAT is what is considered by our governement when they decide whether or not to open hospitals and schools, and THAT
is what decides who lives and who dies all over this planet, day in, day out.
I'm tired of people dying in the third world for our flatscreen TV's. I'm tired of slave labor in Asia so we can buy cr*p that we throw away or that
breaks after a year. And I'm tired of hearing that, despite all these years of doing just that, if only we could tweak this law or elect this other
guy, or throw these people out of the country, things would get better. They haven't, don't and won't.
You can't use democracy correctly in an inherently unfair economical system. Period.
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