Originally posted by Muaddib
Long posts, which you obviously did not read......, with links and evidence that Islam is not peaceful is not proof to you?......

So again. What is it you want to say about this and what do you propose? Do over, Muaddib and remember, I said brain-wise.

Originally posted by Durden

What is it about my questions that can't comprehend? Are you simply plain incoherent to the actual questions I'm posing?

Why is it that you seem think that I'm the one who should solve an issue that you seem to have? I'm not the one stating that the teachings of the Quran are violent if they are followed 'correctly' (in your opinion).

First of all....islamic terrorism is an issue that only I seem to have?......I see, so no terrorist attacks ever happened by radical Islamists.....is just a problem I have....according to you...

According to you there are no 12+ conflicts/wars in the world in which radical Islamists are involved......

You have got to be fricken kidding me......do not even mention anything about coherent arguments, because yours are evidence of an incoherent mind.

The things that are written in the Koran and the things Mohammed did are not "my opinion" Durden.... if you were as intelligent as you proclaim to be, you will see this by the links i have been giving from the Koran.

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Originally posted by Muaddib
First of all....islamic terrorism is an issue that only I seem to have?......I see, so no terrorist attacks ever happened by radical Islamists.....is just a problem I have....according to you...

Again, you're totally missing the point and failing to answer my question. I never stated that violent extremists didn't exist, now did I, Muaddib? However you implied this violence is due to the writings of the Quran - when it is 'correctly' read and followed. Yet again, (what is this - the 5th time now?), in light of this opinion of yours. What is your point and what is it that you propose?

Effort, Muaddib. Effort.


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Meanwhile back in the 21st century, a long time after the Crusades...Canadian Mosque Preaches Jihad.

The leap of logic saying that terrorism is due to the "violent" teachings of the Quran is unfathomable. What people do not see is that if that's so, then the next leap of logic is to say that all true Muslims, those who follow the "violent" teachings of the Quran, must be contained, re-educated or liquidated. I see the camps coming up... And by the same token, this leap of logic would mean that all the "false" Muslims, those who are peaceful, should be shown that they are following a fallacy and, if possible, converted.

At which point, if they're intelligent, they'll take up arms against those trying to coerce them - which will automatically feed the Americans' assertion that all Muslims are violent.

No end in sight, I tell you.

Originally posted by Durden

Originally posted by Muaddib
First of all....islamic terrorism is an issue that only I seem to have?......I see, so no terrorist attacks ever happened by radical Islamists.....is just a problem I have....according to you...

Again, you're totally missing the point and failing to answer my question. I never stated that violent extremists didn't exist, now did I, Muaddib? However you implied this violence is due to the writings of the Quran - when it is 'correctly' read and followed. Yet again, (what is this - the 5th time now?), in light of this opinion of yours. What is your point and what is it that you propose?

Effort, Muaddib. Effort.


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How is it opinion of mine if in the Koran, Mohammed said to do these things in the name of their religion?.............

You obviously don't see the point that what Muhammed did, is exactly what radical Muslims are doing now, and the conquest in the Middle Ages in which they tried to subjugate the world to Islam, is what radicals want now including Osama......

And how can you not understand...for what?... the 5th time you said?....that i do not have the anwsers, i give the information, and back it up with reliable links.... You just don't want to accept my anwsers.....that is your problem, and your attemps to insult my intelligence speaks volumes of your own....

Perhaps you should be asking yourself.... what is the solution you think is on my mind?...because you seem to have set your mind, for me to give an anwser that only you can accept...



[edit on 25-10-2004 by Muaddib]

Old news. They even cought Canadian rebels in Chechnya.

Out,
Russian

Originally posted by Muaddib
....that i do not have the anwsers, i give the information, and back it up with reliable links.... You just don't want to accept my anwsers.....that is your problem

What actual answers to my inqueries haven't I 'accepted'? You do realize that you come off as if you're implying quite a bit, while you really don't want to actually say anything? Well if this is the problem, keep quiet. Because at this point, you're doing nothing to move this discussion forward.


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dbates - and if they preached war against an entire group - publically - there is an entire set of laws in Canada under which they could and should be prosecuted. There's the laws on slander and defamation, as well as the laws on hate speech (which were used against Holocaust revisionist Ernst Zundel, as was stated earlier).

I'd be surprised if CSIS (the Canadian equivalent to the FBI) isn't investigating this.

Originally posted by Otts
And by the same token, this leap of logic would mean that all the "false" Muslims, those who are peaceful, should be shown that they are following a fallacy and, if possible, converted.

First of all, you just described what radicals Muslims do to moderates... Second, perhaps something could be accomplished if every Muslim cleric denounces to terrorism and makes public that Islam is a peaceful religion, condemming all suicide bombings or any and all terrorist attacks, this should be done by most of them, but of course is not going to happen....

Originally posted by Muaddib
Second, perhaps something could be accomplished if every Muslim cleric denounces to terrorism and makes public that Islam is a peaceful religion, condemming all suicide bombings or any and all terrorist attacks,

Or else what, Muaddib? What do you think should happen if every single muslim doesn't loudly denounce these radical muslims?

[edit on 25-10-2004 by Durden]

Originally posted by Durden

Originally posted by Muaddib
....that i do not have the anwsers, i give the information, and back it up with reliable links.... You just don't want to accept my anwsers.....that is your problem

What actual answers to my inqueries haven't I 'accepted'? You do realize that you come off as if you're actually implying quite a bit, while you really don't want to actually say anything? Well if this is the problem, keep quiet. Because at this point, you're doing nothing to actually move this discussion forward.

Pfft...who the heck are you to tell me to keep quiet?....you keep insulting me as if that is a response.... if all you can do is insult, you should be the one keeping your mouth shut...

Keep the topic at hand if you want to discuss anything, and do anwser the questions i raised, which you just keep avoiding...

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And as more Muslims who needed not hate the United States are killed in the War in Iraq, there are less and less chances of massive protests against terrorism in the Muslim world happening. The Muslims I met in Africa are sad that all this is happening and that citizens from Western countries are caught in the middle, but the rising body count is not something that will impress a particularly favorable view of America on them. They may be moderate Muslims, they're not masochists.

I'm saying it again, no end in sight. As the body count rises, Muslims who weren't pissed before are starting to get pissed, and they're going to strike back and piss off more Americans. The United States will then strike back even harder, and so on.

If no one is willing or able to break the circle, this war will end with millions dead.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Pfft...who the heck are you to tell me to keep quiet?....you keep insulting me as if that is a response.... if all you can do is insult, you should be the one keeping your mouth shut...

Well pardon me if I hurt your feelings, Muaddib. And insults are all you're seeing in my posts? Well then I suggest you read them again. And if we're lucky, maybe even try and make a serious effort to reply to my questions.

Keep the topic at hand if you want to discuss anything, and do anwser the questions i raised, which you just keep avoiding...

Cute little addition there, Muaddib... You ever heard of the expression 'practice what you preach'? Well do so, it may be an interesting experience.

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Originally posted by Otts

Originally posted by Ghoztface
does anyone else smell some of that pre-emptive war?

LOL, I guess we Canadians should surrender right now, then, and prepare to welcome the American military with flowers

Unless the canadians pre-Empt first and bomb the Baldwin compound.

Originally posted by Otts

If no one is willing or able to break the circle, this war will end with millions dead.

Break what cycle exactly Otts....do you plan then that we should all give in to the demands all islamic terrorists are making?....

The other choice is giving half of the world now to the Islamic terrorists, those territories they claim are theirs, and the other half later on, so they can have the world dominated by Islam.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Break what cycle exactly Otts....do you plan then that we should all give in to the demands all islamic terrorists are making?....

Is it your opinion that the people of the rest of the muslim world should be considered presumptive 'terrorists'?

Muaddib - if your idea is to pound the terrorists until they yield and surrender, the way it's being done now - especially if you insist on saying it's a war on the principles of Islam - it will take years, it will be done by walking over a million corpses, and the remaining Muslims will hate the United States even more.

Other countries will fall into line, for sure. But they won't do it because they like U.S. policy. They'll do it because they fear you.

Muslims do not want to break the cycle of terror. their religion is based on terrorist principles. even the "moderate" Islams practice a religion that terrorises women, gays, capitalists etc.

Islam is a warrior-fascist religion which is out to kill all civilised people. It is aided by liberals.

There can be no "breaking the circle" - there can only be victory for Islamic barbarism and oppression - or civilisation.

Who cares what happens to the fool liberals who defend oppression? - the Islamas will kill them first.