That would be like asking a rape victim to 'sort it out' with the rapist tho, surely?

The whole thing is wrong.

If Palestines future depends on negotiations with Israel, they have no future at all

Originally posted by Beavers
That would be like asking a rape victim to 'sort it out' with the rapist tho, surely?

The whole thing is wrong.

That's a great, but horribly valid analogy.

Or how about.

It does not make sense for a victim of bullying to settle on conditions determined by their bully.

Originally posted by GeneralMishka
If Palestines future depends on negotiations with Israel, they have no future at all

I agree, you can expect Palestine, especially with Hamas in charge, not to risk the future of their country in the hands of Israel, as they are currently chipping away at their territory with new settlements.

The United Nations, made up of every nation on Earth and supported by all, had already LONG made a decision on Palestine. It was back in 1948 - A two state solution.

As the jews claimed the land, so too does palestinain arabs. Unfortunately, back then, while Israel agreed, the arabs did not, and demanded the ENTIRE land area as belonging solely to them, with genocide upon the jews. It was no mere threat, but actual civil wars and supported by other arabs in the region to exterminate the jews.

Israel held up, and majority of the arab world had negotiated for peace. Only the palestinian refugees remained.

Israel had given back much of the lands abandoned by the warring arab armies for peace.

After the Oslo accords, the lands as designated and supported by the world had been given back to the Palestinain IN RETURN for peace.

Yassar Arafat was a great man in his latter years, when he saw the years of furtility of terrorism and destruction, and finally acknowledge Israel as a Nation. Unfortunately, his views was not shared by many, and saw only his own death, and some claimed he was assasinated.

His organisation - PLO continued his dream - the freedom for his people. Because of him, Israel handed over West Bank and Gaza back. Unfortunately and yet very very strange, a group that claimed to adore Arafat, support him, YET, had broke away from his recognisation of Israel and chosed to continue the policy of 'Death to Jews'.

This group is Hamas, funded by Iran and had only ensured that there will NOT be peace with Israel and that the palestinians remain canon fodder, never knowing a peaceful life.

Who truly murdered Arafat, the leader who finally wanted peace with Israel?

As long as the palestinian continues to want death to all jews and demand the entire land mass instead of sharing it, Israel will not support the independence of Palestine. No nation will want a neighbour whom only seeks your death as a way to live.

Thus, the need to keep West Bank and Gaza under self rule instead of independence, so that a lasting peace can be obtained for both to co-exist before independence of Palestine.

Majority of the world supports the 2 state solution, for both the jews and palestinians were the then indigenous people living there. As they cannot live with each other, with civil wars in townships both cutting each other throats, the partition was the best solution, the way it did for India and Pakistan, so that no more lives be lost.

Israel will recognize the 2 state solution, so too its supporters, PROVIDED the policy of 'death to jews' end.

As long as Hamas wishes death upon jews and palestinians, there will be little support for independence, and those whom support the indedepence right now without Hamas backing down is only further supporting the bloodshed that will occur. Some world leaders will act like fools publically, but all of them at heart are not fools and knows what is at stake, despite the antics, crocodile tears and chest thumping by Hamas.

May the PLO/Fatah and the free palestinian people control Hamas to behave responsibly, and not be dogs to Iran, who prefers the bloodshed continues so that sunnis will not focus on shias. Palestinians have a right to statehood, but it must show that it will be a responsible contributing member sharing our world, and not by contributing war upon neighbour.

It is time for this selfish small minority group Hamas to grow up, end the aggression and let the majority of palestinians know peace and independence for once. They had suffered enough.

This is not poison to the peace process. In reality, Netanyahu doesn't care so much about Palestine obtained non-member observer status. It doesn't grant them any sweeping powers. The General Assembly is essentially a powerless organ of the United Nations.

What Israel does seem to care about is stalling the peace process so they can continue to expand settlements and gradually annex areas of Palestine. As such, Israel's opposition to this UNGA bid is simply a tactic used to avoid peace. Plain and simple.