posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 04:22 PM
Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by itsthetooth
Problem with everything you say is it will drain our economy and kill it. Increasing the wage just forces more jobs overseas. Your mistake is assuming
amercans deserve a wage increase. They don't. To deserve it you need the skills and the aptitude. The issue is that people in asia and in other
countries are increasingly outpacing americans by acquiring higher level skills and achieving better work performance. The result of all this is that
the american wage should be going down, not up. By keeping it where it's or by increasing it, you'd be destroying employment and making it
This is true, but there are other factors to this as well. In order to pay us lower, you must also lower our cost of living, or else it would be
pointless to do so without killing our economy and sending us onto the path of becoming a third world country. The fact is just by lowering the
wages, it won't automatically do this, and thus you'll destroy our country by lowering our wages too. The ultimate problem is a societal issue that
overflows onto the economic portion. People go into business not to make a living for themselves, but to make more money than everyone else. This
makes it so every year, your goal is to make more than the last, not make a living off of it. This alone causes inflation because it saturates money
into a select few people. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating taking the money away from the rich and giving it to the poor, I'm just against
oligarchy as much as I am against socialism. Corporations are as much to blame for the issue as the workers demanding more money.
There's an entitlement problem in america. It's rooted in the democrat party. They're blind to the situation and unable to form solutions.
Voting democrat should be classified a mental illness.
There is an entitlement problem in America, I will not deny this fact. But it isn't just poor wanting to be handed more. And it isn't rooted in the
Democrat Party either. It is rooted in both parties. The Republicans are just as much to blame as the Democrats. With this, it makes me wonder if
there really is a difference between the two. Democrats want to hand out entitlements to the lower class and the poor. They want to keep raising the
minimum wage for the upper poor class and lower middle class. They want to hand everything to everyone. While the Republicans want to hand
everything to everyone else. The Democrats hand feed the poor and lower middle class and Republicans hand feed the upper middle class and the rich.
The "Too big to fail" companies ring a bell? That is as much welfare as the checks the poor get on a monthly basis. Not to mention all the tax cut
corporations get and the higher income families get for various things that no way in hell a poor person could be in a position to even reach for. If
I were to believe voting for any party should be classified as a mental illness, it would be voting for Democrat and Republican parties both. And
there in lies the issue.
We live in a new world. America is not the best and greatest anymore. We've let this happen over the past 50 years by sleeping on the job.
The consequence is that we must pay the price. The earlier we pay, the sooner we can get back on the ladder and climb it. Until then, it's time to
This is a little more complicated than that. Partly, I agree with your about living in a new world, and that America is not the best and greatest
anymore. But how did we let this happen? Several ways. We got lazy, sure, but it isn't our work output or anything of that sort. It can be blamed
in the fact that the majority of Americans only do business with big corporations because it is convenient. There used to be specialty shops that only
dealt in say clothing, then you had your local grocery store, and then you might have had your television and radio shop. Then an appliance shop, a
bakery, etc. etc. Then we got lazy and wanted to buy all those things in one spot. This is where the corporations grabbed us by the... well you get
the picture. We handed this country over to the rich by doing this. Top this off with allowing those free trade agreements which basically gave the
keys to the corporations to send the jobs overseas thus taking it away from us to lower their labor costs and upping their profit, and thus we have
this mess. It was only a matter of time. How much industry do we have in this country? Your solution is to pay us lower amounts to bring them back,
but you know corporations aren't gonna go for that because then we won't buy as much still, and their income levels will drop.
These problems aren't solved because both sides have a couple of pieces to this jigsaw puzzle, but won't put them together, and then search for the