Is the Christian Trinity a Conspiracy ?

reply to post by Deetermined


again, I don't see it. So if he says three things, it is automatically the trinity, and is to be worshiped.

He also said God is greater than me.

reply to post by Deetermined


Refer to my posts here stating all the FACTS about both accounts of fabrication. It is provable. Look for yourself. It is all there for the world to see. We are not illiterate peasants anymore. And a library is not a private club anymore.

reply to post by zedVSzardoz

reply to post by zedVSzardoz

Joseph was not the biological father so no blood lineage. AND by tradition the "seed" is passed through the father to establish the tribal lineage.

Unfortunately, you can't create a perfect human from an imperfect seed. Too bad the Jews were too stubborn in their ways to understand this and blew it off.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by Deetermined

 

again, I don't see it. So if he says three things, it is automatically the trinity, and is to be worshiped.

He also said God is greater than me.

Sure. God was greater than Jesus while Jesus was walking the earth in the flesh.

reply to post by Deetermined


scripture is scripture. If he was sent by God he had to fulfill prophesy since God said he would be of Davidic lineage.

He was not, so they look elsewhere. Honestly not stubbornly. Unless you are saying God was lying and Jesus´ creators were right.....
EDIT:

Sure. God was greater than Jesus while Jesus was walking the earth in the flesh.

Again your interpretation...not his.

reply to post by zedVSzardoz

Then the promiscuous Jebusite (Canaanite tribe) princess, Bath-Shebiti. Her name, Bath sheba lit = daughter of the 7 gods. She was married to Uriah the Hittite and committed Adultery with David and bore an illegitimate son who became the clan chieftain Jedediah And finally Miryam of Galilee, known to be a whore (unclean) so with this much lying and sexually compromised women, you have to ask, was Jesus really a Davidic descendant?

Precisely my point earlier. No one was perfect. Even Abraham fathered Isaac and Ishmael and we see those two bloodlines branch off into enemies. However, it was through Isaac that the Jews would inherit the land. Not Ishmael.

reply to post by Deetermined


I don't want to derail this thread talking about Jesus´s false lineage, although it is related,

I will just say this. Perfection is only for God. That is why the messiah did not have to be perfect, but he DID have to be of Davidic lineage. Luke lied, Mathew lied. They invented things and because they could not collaborate their lies, the truth became visible. The lie about Luke referring to Mary is just nonsense.

Mathew made things up completely and based it all on numerology, trying to appeal to the cabalists. Luke did not even follow the lineage from the OT. There was always a forced conversion of the Jews by Christianity since they never got the acceptance they wanted from them. He was not their messiah, so he is not the messiah that scripture spoke of.

He kicked ass and was a great human being IMO. Learned many secrets about the true self. But his message and his truth have been muddled by people trying to make a proprietary claim to him in an effort to establish organized religion.

The worst thing to happen to the Christ message was the indoctrination by Rome.

The trinity is just pagan worship imposed on Christianity by Rome.

It is what it is.....

reply to post by zedVSzardoz

He was not, so they look elsewhere. Honestly not stubbornly. Unless you are saying God was lying and Jesus´ creators were right.....

Sorry. God never held Jewish law or tradition over his own.

God lying? What are you talking about?

Read Ezekiel 37. It goes into great detail about the Jews rejecting God, how they would end up and how he would deal with them in the future for having done so.

In fact, if you've even picked up the Bible at all, you would know it is one long continuous story of the rejection of God from the Jews and what their entire future would hold for them. Just like what we're seeing today. Before the end of the world, Jerusalem will become a burden to the whole world and all nations will turn against Israel before Jesus comes back to save the day for them before they all die. Sound familiar? Do you see the world turning it's back on Israel?

reply to post by Deetermined

Jerusalem will become a burden to the whole world and all nations will turn against Israel before Jesus comes back to save the day for them before they all die.

whoa.....I have to say good day sir,

See, you've only proven that you've never read the Bible for yourself to even know what's in it.

yes, that is exactly what I have done here. Tell your pastor I think you memorized his take on it well.

Nice "chat"

reply to post by zedVSzardoz


See, you've only proven that you've never read the Bible for yourself to even know what's in it.

Good day. Nice chat.

THE "MYSTERIES" AND THE DEPARTURE FROM ONE ABSOLUTE GOD
The mysteries, whatever may have been their origin, or for whatever purposes they were instituted, were definitely a corruption of the original worship of the One deity.

Just as in ancient Egypt, Brahminism restricted the teaching of monotheism to the highest initiates alone. Jacolliot emphasizes this in his writing:

"The worship of the one God or Zeus unrevealed, reserved to the priests, was forbidden to the lower classes, but THREE TEMPLES DEDICATED TO THE THREE PERSONS OF THE TRIMOURTI, BRAHMA, VISHNU, SIVA, opened their doors to the adoration of the people, all of whom were allowed to select one of the THREE PERSONAGES OF THE TRINITY they would prefer to worship."
Ancient Babylonians "distinctly acknowledged that there was One infinite and Almighty Creator, supreme over all."

So you can see how at the first the people realized there was only One God. In early humanity, people recognized Him as the True God Jehovah, but soon some apostatized and called this One God by other names. They then began changing His attributes and holiness. They stopped worshipping the One God in truth, but still continued to believe in One God. It then became corrupted all the more when they began a creed requiring devotion to a "trinity" of the One God. Soon millions of gods crept into their religions and man was far removed from the original Monotheistic faith. This was amongst pagans.

Wilkinson writes:

"In the early ages of mankind the existence of a sole and omnipotent Deity, who created all things, seems to have been the universal belief; and tradition taught men the same notions on this subject, which, in later times, have been adopted by all civilized nations.

"The Gothic religion taught the being of a Supreme God, Master of the Universe, to whom all things were submissive and obedient." (Wilkinson, Ancient Egyptians, vol. iv. p. 176)

The ancient Icelandic mythology referred to him as
"the Author of everything that existeth, the eternal, the living, and the awful Being; the searcher into concealed things, the Being that never changeth." (Mallett, Northern Antiquities, vol. I. pp. 78.79).


There is evidence of the same thing in the ancient Hindostan. Though the modern Hinduism recognizes millions of gods, the sacred Indian books reveal that originally it was far from this. They believed in one, sole god.

Not only did the Hindus recognize a God of natural perfections but also his gracious character was praised. They spoke of their God's dealings with a lost and guilty world. The name Brahm - which is a derivation of the Hebrew Rahm, the "merciful or compassionate One" (Parkhurst's Hebrew Lexicon, sub voce, No. V)- was this one God's name.

The Turks have a term "Er-Rahman" for their most high God; the "all-merciful one." The Hindus once knew their "most holy, most high God" as "The God of Mercy" or "a just God and a Saviour" also. Their religious knowledge of creation was closely the same as it is in Genesis.

Isaiah 45:21 says, "Tell ye, and bring them, near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."
Psalm 37:26 "He is ever merciful, and lendeth: and his seed is blessed."
So we see the earliest forms of various pagan religions were really derivations of the One God, Jehovah. Their doctrines concerning the One God were obviously lacking specific truths as they has departed somewhat from true faith. The more that people crept away from faith in God the more elaborate the concoctions became regarding their view of God, until a "trinity" of three persons was invented.

One of the Vedhas, speaking of Brahma, stated that

"all beings are created from his mouth" (Asiatic Researches, vol. vii. p. 294, London, 1807).
Here we have the connection in the pagan belief with He, who, ever since man's fall, has been revealed to man as the "merciful and Gracious One," (Exodus 34:6), the Almighty One, who in the beginning "spake and it was done," "commanded and all things stood fast," who made all things by the "word of his power." The title of the true God was the first thing to be perverted.

Babylonians idolatrously recognized the Divine Unity, and God spoke of it in Isaiah 66:17. Note that in the King James Version the word "tree" is in italics; showing that it was not in the Hebrew. So you read it as,

"purify themselves in the garden behind one in the midst..."

In that unity of the Babylonian god there were three persons, and to symbolize that pagan trinity they employed the equilateral triangle, just as Roman Catholicism does today. The Egyptians were also notorious for using the triangle to denote the unity of a god consisted of three persons.

mikeblume.com...

So that is a good explanation of the real origin of the One God, and the continual perversion of the trinity. The triangle is a symbol if the perversion. The 60degree angle multiplied times 3....yeah 666

reply to post by zedVSzardoz

yes, that is exactly what I have done here. Tell your pastor I think you memorized his take on it well.

No, I only have to read the Bible, that's why I posted scripture.

To elaborate on Jerusalem being a burden to the whole world, right now we see the burden of the U.N. voting on whether or not to create a Palestinian state. When or if that happens, you'll see it get really ugly when they go to decide how to divide Jerusalem or if to divide Jerusalem at all, to make it one or both capitols for each state.

Here is the history of the pagan trinity, the 60 degree triangle= 666 remember that.

The Trinity doctrine is not unique to, nor original with, Christianity. It has deep Pagan roots, dating back to at least two centuries BC, and has been prominent in many Eastern religions ever since.

The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church Councils (Western and Eastern churches) brought the Trinity doctrine into Christianity. This occurred before there was a final split between the two over authority. Even those who voted the idea into Roman Catholic dogma declared it was a mystery that had to be accepted by faith.

The theologians that wrote the Catholic Encyclopedia admit that there is no Old Testament indication of a triune God, and very little in the New Testament that can be construed that way. They also admit that it was a product of tradition that evolved over four centuries. The RCC gives equal credence to tradition and scripture. In this case tradition is almost the whole criteria for this dogma, aside from a few scriptures that are wrenched out of context and misinterpreted, trying to give the idea legitimacy.

The evolution of this doctrine within Christianity began with The Apostle’s Creed, progressed to the Nicene Creed, and finally culminated in the Athanasian Creed

www.biblicalunitarian.com...

The Babylonian system of mathematics was sexagesimal (base 60) numeral system. From this we derive the modern day usage of 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and 360 degrees in a circle.

en.wikipedia.org...

Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the "temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, Holidays, and seasons of devotion, processions, blessings of the fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests, munks and nuns), images, and statues... are all of PAGAN ORIGIN." -The Development of the Christian Religion Cardinal Newman p.359

The penetration of the religion of Babylon became so general and well known that Rome was called the "New Babylon." -Faith of our fathers 1917 ed. Cardinal Gibbons, p. 106

"Confiding then in the power of Christianity to resist the infection of evil, and to transmute the instruments and appendages of demon worship to an evangelical use... the rulers of the church from early times were prepared should occasion arise, to adopt, or imitate, or sanction the existing rites and customs of the populace." -Development of Christian Doctrine, Cardinal Newman. p. 372

Cardinal Newman lists many examples of things of "pagan origin" which the papacy brought into the church "in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen: "in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen:" "The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; holy water; asylums [hermitages, monasteries and convents]; [pagan] holy-days, processions, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images, . . . and the Kyrie Eleison."--Cardinal J. H. Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, 1920 edition, p.373 [Roman Catholic].

"The [Catholic] Church took the pagan philosophy and made it the buckler of faith against the heathen. She took the pagan Roman Pantheon, temple of all the gods, and made it sacred to all the martyrs; so it stands to this day. She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday. She took the pagan Easter and made it the feast we celebrate during this season . . . The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom . . .

The sun has worshipers at this hour in Persia and other lands . . . Hence the Church would seem to say, 'Keep that old pagan name [Sunday]. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.' And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus"--William L. Gildea, "Paschale Gaudium," in The Catholic World, 58, March, 1894, p. 809 [A Roman Catholic weekly].

"in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen:" "The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; holy water; asylums [hermitages, monasteries and convents]; [pagan] holy-days, processions, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images, . . . and the Kyrie Eleison."--J. H. Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, 1920 edition, p.373 [Roman Catholic].

"The mighty Catholic Church was little more then the Roman Empire baptized."-- A. C, Flick, The Rise of the Mediaeval Church, 1909 edition, p. 148. From ancient Babylon came the cult of the virgin mother-goddess, who was worshiped as the highest of gods--see S. H. Langdon, Semitic Mythology, 1931 edition. This worship was taken over as Mary-worship by Rome. Heathen sun-worship on Sunday was likewise adopted by the Roman apostasy.

"In order to attach to Christianity great attraction in the eyes of the nobility, the priests adopted the outer garments and adornments which were used in pagan cults." -Life of Constantine, Eusabius, cited in Altai-Nimalaya, p. 94

"The Church did everything it couldto stamp out such 'pagan' rites, but had to capitualet and allow the rites to continue with only the name of the local diety changed to some Christian saint's name." -Religious Tradition and Myth. Dr. Edwin Goodenough, Professor of Religion, Harvard University. p. 56, 57

www.remnantofgod.org...

There is too much info on that last page to post it all here, but you get the point. The Babylonian religion is alive and well, and its symbol is the trinity, 60 degree triangle in all Christian symbology. The very trinity is Babylonian religion.

Beware the mark of the beast....666, 60 degree triangle of the trinity.

reply to post by zedVSzardoz


Do a keyword search for "false gods" or "Ba'al" (Baal) in the Bible.

I guaranty the false gods listed in the Bible had nothing to do with the Trinity.

Judges 2:13

And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

reply to post by Deetermined


that is why Christians eat their God, after he is sacrificed on the alter right? Kind of like how the high priest of Baal would eat the flesh of the sacrifices, huh,

Cahna Baal (title) = priest of baal

This partaking of the sacrificed victims of idolatry extended even
to the eating of human sacrifices. Alexander Hislop tells us that
"the priests of Nimrod or Baal [i.e., the sun as the idol
representing Satan] were necessarily required to eat of human
sacrifices; and thus it has come to pass that 'Cahna-Bal,' the
'Priest of Baal,' is the the established word in our own tongue for a devourer of human flesh" (Babylon Mystery Religion Ancient and Modern [Riverside, CA: Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association, Inc., 1966], p. 232). Satan, the sun god, was also worshipped under the name Molech--or Moloch, with its accompanying child sacrifice (cf. Jer. 19:5; 2 Kings 16:3; 21:6).

That the priests of Baal, or Satan, were cannibals is entirely
understandable. In symbolic prophecy, Satan is represented as a lower animal seeking to eat human flesh. In 1 Peter 5:8, for
example, he is likened to "a roaring lion ... seeking whom he may devour." Likewise, in Revelation 12:4 he is described
metaphorically as a monstrous reptile seeking to devour the Christ child "as soon as it was born." It should also be noted that Satan's great apostate church is described in symbolic prophecy as a great human-blood-drinking whore. She is described as being "drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Rev. 17:6).

www.jesustruth.com...

and don't give me that crap about the origin of the word "cannibal" being from when the Spanish met the Tainos. I am a Spaniard and have asked historians here in Spain. They used the word even before the new world was discovered.


It is also interesting that a priest would wear almost the same garments as a priest of Baal right?

still think it is innocent?

the trinity is Babylonian mythology. The church is drunk with the blood of saints. The church is the great whore of Babylon, with its tipple goddess.

here is a little more. Sorry, truth requires reading.

Cain thought he was the "Lord " since Eve exclaimed "I have gotten a man, a lord" (Gen.4:4). The name Cain came to mean "cohen" or "priest." Cain developed his own religion after being cut off from God. He thought he was the Savior. He created a priesthood. Since the name "CANNIBAL" (Cahna Baal) is a word which means "Baal Priest" and may be derived from the name "TUBAL-CAIN," some have concluded that Tubal-Cain was a descendant of this priesthood of Cain and that the religion of Cain had to do with CONSUMING of HUMAN FLESH -- mostly LITTLE CHILDREN.

When Tubal-Cain's sister/wife Naamah married Noah, this Baal religion came through the flood. How else would Naamah learn about the false religion unless her brother was a priest of Cain? She came to be known as Naamah Isis, or NEMISIS, because she betrayed Noah by getting him drunk. She is the original prototype of the harlot of Revelation sitting on Babylon holding a cup of wine for the world to get drunk.

She founded the Babylonian Mystery Religion with Ham's help. Their grandson was Nimrod. "Nimrod, as the representative of the devouring fire to which human victims, and especially CHILDREN, were offered in SACRIFICE, was regarded as the great CHILD-DEVOURER ... he was, of course the actual father of all the Babylonian gods; and, therefore, in that character he was afterwards universally regarded. As the father of the gods, he was called Kronos" (Lemp. Clas. Dict., Art. "Saturn") The literal meaning of BONFIRE is "BONE FIRE" [M.E. bonefyre, bone fire, later funeral pyre] because such a ritual fire came from the SACRIFICE of HUMANS.

In this context, the fiery VOLCANO may also derive its name from TUBAL-CAIN.

www.plaintruth.com...

Remember I said that Constantine's mother basically CHOSE the new Mt. Sinai, well the nearby volcano was used by Canaanites in the area who worshiped a triple goddess. Mary- An -ISHTAR. They used the nearby volcano in their worship.

St. Catherine is interesting in and of herself since she is given all the attributes of Jesus. She was the female personification of the "Christ". Look at some pictures of her. She is always depicted as a sort of Jesus.

reply to post by zedVSzardoz


You do realize that the God of the Bible sent the Israelites out to wipe out the people who were making human sacrifices, eating flesh and worshiping other gods? Right?

Here is this about the book of esther...

The Star Goddess and The God of War
First, it is necessary to realize that the name Esther stands for Star, or the Star Goddess. In Babylonia/Sumeria/Persia she was known as the goddess Astara, Astar, Ishtar or Ashtar. In Germania, her name was Ostara. In Greece, the people called her Astarte. In Babylon, she was called the Triple Goddess and her holy number was 666!

In the Bible, this Esther is seen to be a Jewish concubine, who became Queen of Persia by virtue of her great beauty, allure, and sexual charms. Esther won a contest to be the new Queen after the real Queen, Vashti, was ousted. It seems that Vashti was an upstanding moral woman who refused to parade around nude and show her body off to the drunken guests at one of the King’s brawling parties. That angered King Ahasuerus who was advised by his Court that an example must be made of Vashti, else more women might follow her virtuous example!

Now the glamorous Esther had a sly and shadowy cousin named Mordecai who cunningly advised and guided her. The name Mordecai literally means I am Marduk; Marduk was the great god of the Persians who was worshipped as Mars, fourth planet from the sun, god of war, ritual sacrifice and fire, also known as Merodach.

The Jewish duo of Esther, the Queen, and her conniving cousin, Mordecai, thus represents the idolatrous Persian deities, Ashtar, the Mother Goddess, and Marduk, the God.

www.texemarrs.com...





She is Esther, which stands for Star, or the Star Goddess......

what we know as Easter was celebrated for hundreds of years before Christ. Originally the Church never celebrated Easter, rather it celebrated Passover. Jesus Christ and the apostles HIS Church kept the Sabbath, and the Holy Days of God as recorded in Acts.

Acts 12:4 is a mistranslation of the Greek "Pascha," meaning the Passover.

The Church largely became corrupted in the first century AD and began absorbing pagan doctrines to gain converts after Constantine stressed unity with the pagans.

Easter is named for the Babylonian goddess of fertility, Astarte or Ishtar. It is from here that you get the eggs, rabbits.

In ancient times people held egg hunts in the name of Astarte. The women who found an egg were said to be blessed with a child that year.

Easter is not biblical, and it does not commemorate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

just more triple Goddess worship, Mary-an-Ishtar, the real Christian trinity.

Originally posted by GeneralMishka
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

 

Disagree with the thesis that the Trinity was a political move to consolidate power in the Empre

A council confirming the Trinity, if anything brought division. It would be like if I brought Scriptural proof that women should only attend Church with their heads covered(which I can). And that proof was used to mandate such coverings. What would happen? Division

True from a certain perspective, but because Constantine was on the side of the trinity/duality, who came off the losers, who was burned a the stake for hearsay later. Henceforth any person generating division on this dogma that arose were sidelined, stamped out and eradicated. Only by the 16th century did some manage to escape and challenge anything with regards to theology and even then they weren't safe.
In the end the pilgrims and puritans came to America to practice religious freedom in the 17th century.
From this point on sincere Christians were able to examine and study the bible and make progress as to what lies the clergy had taught, and there were so many, that many of these would not be corrected until the 19th & and early part of the 20th century. But progress was always being made regardless of how long it took. Purgatory is a prime example.
It's hard to shake 1500 years of dogma that is more tradition than truth, so they persist to be taught in religious schools today.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Given the fact that the council of Nicaea is considered to be a conspiracy itself, and this is when this doctrine was starting to be established, it does make you wonder?

yah.

makes me wonder why people like you are still dilly-dallying in this anthropomorphic version of perception of theology.

it's all mental and physiological. it's not imaginary superstitious beings.
it's flesh and blood symbolism.