posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 03:07 PM
Originally posted by karen61560
reply to post by ANOK
Oh here we have someone who wants to tout communism as something good.
If you learned what it actually is you would realise it is something good (unless you are a capitalist owner?).
What is wrong with workers owning the means of production? Please someone explain to me why you would not be better off if you were an owner of the
place you work at?
At a basic – but critical – level, worker ownership creates and sustains jobs, production, and services, and offers possibilities for
long-term employment stability and living wages...
And yes the goal of all REAL communists/socialists is worker ownership. The goal of despot governments who used left-wing terms to garner support is
entirely different. Real socialists/communists so NOT support what happened in the USSR etc.
The War between Capital and Labor
The ultimate goal of Communism was labor ownership of the means of production and a state run by the proletariat, theoretically in a classless
Free association (communism and anarchism)
In the anarchist, Marxist and socialist sense, free association (also called free association of producers or, as Marx often called it, community
of freely associated individuals) is a kind of relation between individuals where there is no state, social class or authority, in a society that has
abolished the private property of means of production. Once private property is abolished, individuals are no longer deprived of access to means of
production so they can freely associate themselves (without social constraint) to produce and reproduce their own conditions of existence and fulfill
their needs and desires.
Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism and sometimes left libertarianism) is a group of political philosophies that promote a
non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society without private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialism is opposed to all
coercive forms of social organization, and promotes free association in place of government and opposes the coercive social relations of capitalism,
such as wage labor. The term libertarian socialism is used by some socialists to differentiate their philosophy from totalitarian communism
or by some as a synonym for Left anarchism.
The FACT that anarchists are traditionally socialist/communist proves what you think is wrong.
"Anarchism is stateless socialism" Mikhail Bakunin
"Let me just say regarding the terminology, since we happen to be in the United States, we have to be rather careful. Libertarian in the United
States has a meaning which is almost the opposite of what it has in the rest of the world traditionally. Here, libertarian means ultra right-wing
capitalist. In the European tradition, libertarian meant socialist
. So, anarchism was sometimes called libertarian socialism, a large wing of
anarchism, so we have to be a little careful about terminology." Noam Chomsky
"the fact that State Socialism . . . has overshadowed other forms of Socialism gives it no right to a monopoly of the Socialistic idea." Benjamin
Tucker, 'Instead of a Book', pp. 363-4
BTW socialism and communism are the same thing...
The Terms “Socialism” and “Communism”
Marx and Engels used the terms Communism and Socialism to mean precisely the same thing. They used “Communism” in the early years up to about
1875, and after that date mainly used the term “Socialism.” There was a reason for this. In the early days, about 1847-1850, Marx and Engels chose
the name “Communism” in order to distinguish their ideas from Utopian, reactionary or disreputable movements then in existence, which called
themselves “Socialist.” Later on, when these movements disappeared or went into obscurity, and when, from 1870 onwards, parties were being formed
in many countries under the name Social-Democratic Party or Socialist Party, Marx and Engels reverted to the words Socialist and Socialism.
Deny ignorance, don't embrace it.