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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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I can not believe anyone would have use Pravda as a source with a straight face.




posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
Is that "copy" an original ?

Perhaps the "back cover" is simply an opinion by a publisher.


It doesn't matter, READ THE BOOK, and you would know what It says on the back cover is true. I believe it also had that on the first publication.

Even Wiki has that on their page about the Manifesto.... en.wikipedia.org...

You all claim to know what communism is, and even claim to have read the Manifesto, but it's clearly obvious neither are true. It's really not good form to argue something you have clearly not researched.

The original title of the publication was 'The Manifesto of the Communist Party', which is what it is. It is not an explanation of what communism is. It is a critique of capitalism, and about the nature of society, the class struggle, and the Communists Leagues plan to move from capitalism to communism/socialism.

Not all communists/socialist supported the plan of the Marxist communists. Mikhail Bakunin worked along side Marx in the International Workers Association (The First International), and was an anarchist.


THE TEMPESTUOUS relation between Marx and Bakunin is a well known legacy of the history of western socialism. As co-members of the International Working Men’s Association, they seem to have devoted as much energy battling one another as their common enemy, the capitalist system, culminating in Marx’s successful campaign to expel Bakunin from the organization. While at times engaging in cordial relations, they nevertheless harbored uncomplimentary mutual assessments. According to Marx, Bakunin was “a man devoid of all theoretical knowledge” and was “in his element as an intriguer”,1 while Bakunin believed that “... the instinct of liberty is lacking in him [Marx]; he remains from head to foot, an authoritarian”.2....


The Philosophical Roots of the Marx-Bakunin Conflict

"Anarchism is stateless socialism" Mikhail Bakunin

"We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." Mikhail Bakunin

Using Marx to discredit communism is ridiculous, as it exists outside of Marxism, not all communists are Marxists.


Mikhail Aleksandrovich Bakunin, (born May 30 [May 18, Old Style], 1814, Premukhino, Russia—died July 1 [June 19], 1876, Bern, Switzerland), chief propagator of 19th-century anarchism, a prominent Russian revolutionary agitator, and a prolific political writer. His quarrel with Karl Marx split the anarchist and Marxist wings of the revolutionary socialist movement for many years after their deaths.


www.britannica.com...



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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Whatever man...some folks will never understand the differences between corporatism, capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism, secularism, theocracy...etc...etc...etc. Idjets seem to lump them all together and don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Most of these towering intellects appear to have read the opening sentence of the different philosophies and said "OK...I got it now"....

I don't care what you want to call the POTUS, I call him a lame duck.

Jumping and squawking like your head is on fire is not going to change the fact that we have 4 years to go.

I really hope some of the folks out there take the time to do some homework and some soul searching...you may be voting for the wrong damn party and aren't educated enough to know it...take some time and educate yourself.





posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I think you might want to read Antony Sutton's books on how Wall Street and industrial magnates built both the Bolshevik communists and the Nazi empire.

www.scribd.com...

www.jrbooksonline.com...

Then you will understand Wall Street bankers and Goldman Sachs bankrolling the Obamanation
edit on 26-11-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


FAIL! They actually bankrolled Romney. I assume Obama is not all to pleased about it and I don't expect them to get many handouts from him in the second term.

ROMNEY'S TOP TEN DONORS (SOURCE

Goldman Sachs $994,139
Bank of America $921,839
Morgan Stanley $827,255
JPMorgan Chase & Co $792,147
Credit Suisse Group $618,941
Wells Fargo $598,379
Deloitte LLP $554,552
Kirkland & Ellis $496,722
Citigroup Inc $465,063
Barclays $428,250

OBAMA'S TOP TEN DONORS (SOURCE)

University of California $1,092,906
Microsoft Corp $761,343
Google Inc $737,055
US Government $627,628
Harvard University $602,992
Kaiser Permanente $532,674
Stanford University $473,372
Deloitte LLP $430,084
Columbia University $411,894
Time Warner $408,512



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Griffin doing Besmenov, THANKS Beez! Star for sure, and everyone
should hit on this one. Yuri explaining "...lined up and shot" usually
gets the attention of the ideologically errant and otherwise clueless.
Sadly enough, it's recently apparent Goebbels and Trotsky didn't
have much of a corner on the useful idiot market.. (as I wipe my
left nostril on the nearer speaker grille to retain typing speed LOL)
I'm proud to be a fourth generation Doltic pleasant. No typo
ps great avatar, got pangs from the split upper receiver patch tho.



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 09:38 PM
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Yes I recognize it. The same with calling all those that disagree with Obama or Liberals terrorists, or racists. As they are the ones in power I think you are chastising the wrong side.



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot
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Yes I recognize it. The same with calling all those that disagree with Obama or Liberals terrorists, or racists. As they are the ones in power I think you are chastising the wrong side.



Let's start with the title of the thread...I ask you...

How can people on both sides work together like grown ups, when one of us isn't?



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Quadrivium
Great find op S&F.

reply to post by newcovenant
 


Newcovenant,
Social programs will have to be reformed. We can no longer afford them.
Unions will have to be reformed. We can no longer afford them either.
DC needs to be reformed. We can not afford to leave it as it is.
Republicrates and Demolicans have to go!
Quad
edit on 26-11-2012 by Quadrivium because: (no reason given)


First lets dismantle our war machine and then see what we can afford. We were warned what could happen if the war machine was allowed to get control. Plenty of cash for bombs, not so much for healthcare.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by JBpage76
Don’t kill the messenger, but maybe it's time to start reading Russian Newspaper Pravda. It seems they have more discernment of Truth, than the American Media. Enjoy this trolls. Not from Fox News, but from Pravda, Russia's leading Communist Newspaper weighs in.

"Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.

Well, any normal individual understands that as true but liberalism is a psychosis . O'bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like "fast and furious" and there is still no sign of ending it. He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia. Obama's fools and Stalin's fools share the same drink of illusion

Another interesting read below....
english.pravda.ru...#
edit on 27-11-2012 by Gemwolf because: Removed all caps from title


I find it hard to believe any thinking person would have such a terrible understanding of communism and the world around them as to consider Obama a Communist. Please, in the future, before posting, at the very least look up the definition of Communism. Obama is so far away from being a Communist, its ludicrous even to say his name in the same sentence. He, like Bush, Bush, Clinton, and Reagan, are much, much closer to fascism (which is an extreme far-right ideal) than to Communism (an extreme far-left ideal.)

You should have closed the article and laughed at it the moment they even made such a proclomation.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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I cannot figure out which is more amusing.

The fact that Pravda states Obama has raised taxes even though the current rates are the lowest they've been in 60 years, or the fact that the staunchest anti-Communists on ATS are clinging to a pro-Communist newspaper, solely because it oposes Obama!

You could not have made my morning any better. Tomorrow when the Pravda article is old news, Obama will go back to being a Communist I guess???


 
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
 



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by JBpage76
Don’t kill the messenger, but maybe it's time to start reading Russian Newspaper Pravda. It seems they have more discernment of Truth, than the American Media. Enjoy this trolls. Not from Fox News, but from Pravda, Russia's leading Communist Newspaper weighs in.

"Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.

Well, any normal individual understands that as true but liberalism is a psychosis . O'bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like "fast and furious" and there is still no sign of ending it. He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia. Obama's fools and Stalin's fools share the same drink of illusion

Another interesting read below....
english.pravda.ru...#
edit on 27-11-2012 by Gemwolf because: Removed all caps from title


I stopped reading the article when they said the Prez was the first black Senator... Hiram Revels of Mississippi was the first.... way way back Wednesday....



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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I think it is embarrassing that people in this day and age, with the vast amount of information literally at our fingertips, still trust politicians.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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Yeah Russian Media is good, if you don't live in Russia, and aren't part of the Russian Agenda. Clearly Russia is always trying to be ANTI-America this is just another instance of that. FREE PUSSY RIOT!!!!!!



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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reply to post by spinalremain
 


I felt the same, reminds me of the old phrase, 'if you can't beat um join um'. I thought Obama and all of his ilk were communist, now it seems the page has turned.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Loved the cartoon, star for you!



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Helmkat

Originally posted by Quadrivium
Great find op S&F.

reply to post by newcovenant
 


Newcovenant,
Social programs will have to be reformed. We can no longer afford them.
Unions will have to be reformed. We can no longer afford them either.
DC needs to be reformed. We can not afford to leave it as it is.
Republicrates and Demolicans have to go!
Quad
edit on 26-11-2012 by Quadrivium because: (no reason given)


First lets dismantle our war machine and then see what we can afford. We were warned what could happen if the war machine was allowed to get control. Plenty of cash for bombs, not so much for healthcare.


And let's not forget while youre bringing up all these great points that
Welfare for People is 49 billion, but Welfare for Corporations is almost DOUBLE at 92 billion.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Who the frock cares what the Russians think. This article is an obvious slander piece. Elected to a second term by an illiterate public. OK. The leading country in the free world is populated by an illiterate public. Really, like I said who cares what they think. It means nothing. Do you identify with what they said about us? I think maybe you do as you are touting this as a "truth". Pishaw ! I KNOW Americans are better than that. Maybe if the Russians had had some experience with thinking for themselves but we know they have been told what to think and how to think it and none of them ever had an original thought anyway.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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Oh here we have someone who wants to tout communism as something good.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Perhaps its your prospective that has changed and not Pravda. The publication has not changed. You dont like the current President so now you agree with them because they are saying what you think. Next week when they say something against what you feel you will change again. You would probably give a literary award to World News if they said something against the President.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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cult? He did get re elected you know? By a majority. Careful what you call us good solid Americans. Get over it already. The man won the election. That means that most of us voters wanted him to still be President. You gonna call all of us stupid?





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