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Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.
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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
You might have a hard drive with billions and billions of Apollo images. But the only Apollo images that matter are those released by NASA itself on .gov servers or printed in NASA books with government catalogue numbers. Everything else, all other Apollo images, are simulations of the authentic, original NASA negatives, which everyone admits are in the public domain.
Sooooo if you declare all the others don't matter, then they don't matter. Yes, absolutely.
Let me ask. The crosshairs are all black, they need to fill-in those black areas with whatever color information to put into those black areas. Those black areas are the 'fiducials'. NASA's famous pixel wizardry will insert new color information into those black areas. The new information encoded into those black areas may be some sort of covert/overt messaging system, or, at the very least, there is ample opportunity for a whistleblower to insert new information into these Apollo images, inside the fiducials ; information that could possibly lead to a NASA disclosure, of some kind, possibly E.T.
This is absolutely incomprehensible.
The cross hairs were intended for a scientific purpose.
And the pictures with them removed are intended for non-scientific purposes, such as making pretty pictures.
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Let me ask. The crosshairs are all black, they need to fill-in those black areas with whatever color information to put into those black areas. Those black areas are the 'fiducials'. NASA's famous pixel wizardry will insert new color information into those black areas. The new information encoded into those black areas may be some sort of covert/overt messaging system, or, at the very least, there is ample opportunity for a whistleblower to insert new information into these Apollo images, inside the fiducials ; information that could possibly lead to a NASA disclosure, of some kind, possibly E.T.
Why would a whistleblower bother "whistleblowing" in this convoluted manner when there are much easier ways to do so?
Originally posted by Moduli
It's not like these images are science images. No one does any scientific analysis from these pictures, because that's not what they are intended for.
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
The cross hairs were intended for a scientific purpose. 'Fiducials' were used to measure any amount of physical distortion to the film negatives, on many of the various film formats that were used during the missions. They placed the 'fiducials' on the glass plate inside the Hasselblad in order to permanently record those 'fiducials' ontp the Apollo film negatives.
Now NASA is removing the 'fiducials' for purely arbitrary, NON-scientific reasons.
Correct. The fiducial marks/reticules (crosshairs) are being removed from copies of the original images for artistic reasons. However, the original Apollo images (the ones that DO include the crosshairs) are not being altered in any manner, so any scientific value of the images is still being preserved. The images with the crosshairs will still exist, and still be part of the public record.
And that scientific value of the original Apollo images is a close-up record of the surface of the Moon, with the fiducial marks/reticules provided for measurement and reference.
edit on 9/4/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
If they were doing something ethically wrong they'd be pretty dumb to announce it to the public.
What you are doing is taking a pretty standard copyright statement and reading some sort of magic spell into it.
Here is what the copyright statement says in words you can understand:
NASA took these photographs.
You can't say that you took these photographs.
You can't mess with these photographs and say that NASA took them.
You can't try and make money out of these photographs without asking us first.
If you use these photographs, you should ask us nicely and tell people they are NASA photographs.
Anything else is your personal spin on it.
If they were doing something ethically wrong they'd be pretty dumb to announce it to the public.
What you are doing is taking a pretty standard copyright statement and reading some sort of magic spell into it.
Here is what the copyright statement says in words you can understand:
NASA took these photographs.
You can't say that you took these photographs.
You can't mess with these photographs and say that NASA took them.
You can't try and make money out of these photographs without asking us first.
If you use these photographs, you should ask us nicely and tell people they are NASA photographs.
Anything else is your personal spin on it.
reply to post by onebigmonkey
Okay.
Removing the backgrounds and removing the fiducials is my personal spin!! Nice propaganda transfer you got there buddy! Aren't you doing a little card-stacking yourself?
Here is what the copyright statement says in words you can understand:
NASA took these photographs.
You can't say that you took these photographs.
You can't mess with these photographs and say that NASA took them.
You can't try and make money out of these photographs without asking us first.
If you use these photographs, you should ask us nicely and tell people they are NASA photographs.
Anything else is your personal spin on it.
Okay.
Removing the backgrounds and removing the fiducials is my personal spin!! Nice propaganda transfer you got there buddy! Aren't you doing a little card-stacking yourself?
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Okay.
Removing the backgrounds and removing the fiducials is my personal spin!! Nice propaganda transfer you got there buddy! Aren't you doing a little card-stacking yourself?
yes it is your own spin.. as already been posted before and in other threads:
The original, unprocessed raw scans are also provided on this website in full-resolution 16-bit TIFF format.
apollo.sese.asu.edu...
and not to mention:
The staff at JSC has a rigorous procedure for removing film from the freezer for scanning or making copies.
The sealed film canister is transferred from the freezer to the refrigerator where it is allowed to equilibrate for 24 hours.
The sealed canister is then removed from the refrigerator and placed in a room temperature environment and allowed to equilibrate for an additional 24 hours.
The film is then removed from the canister, hand cleaned (see below) and scanned.
The film is placed back in the canister, sealed, and then placed back in the cold vault.
which basically means they are not editing the negatives ie. the film, only the scanned copies are edited.. and not to mention the scanned copies will be in their original unprocessed form on the website also.
you are trying to grasp at straws and putting your own spin and innuendo into it, but failing.. its desperate and comical.. its almost like you have run out of arguments.
Okay.
Removing the backgrounds and removing the fiducials is my personal spin!! Nice propaganda transfer you got there buddy! Aren't you doing a little card-stacking yourself?
Your interpretation of motive is 100% entirely your own spin, particular since the page you're cherry picking your quotes from says quite clearly what they're doing, why they're doing it and that the originals are unaltered and freely available in the public domain. Your claims of restrictive copyright are also not true.
The thousands of original photographs published in magazines, newspapers and even NASA reports are freely available to you. I would recommend you purchase them, and then carry out daily checks to make sure they don't get up to any mischief.
reply to post by onebigmonkey
No way, OBMonkey. Accusations of cherry-picking are totally off topic. We are arguing the meaning of the document we are discussing, specifically, this webpage, apollo.sese.asu.edu...
As a matter of fact, between myself, yourself and choos, we've nearly copied the entire text of the source page into this thread! and we have, each of us, annotated our interpretations to it. Are you going to do the fair thing now?
Will you accuse choos of cherry picking and admit that you did it yourself, too?
The NASA/CIA/ASU effort to photoshop the Apollo film records is totally predictable because the reseau pattern marks are one more fatal flaw in the Apollo narratives, which NASA has spent the last 40 years "harmonizing the scriptures", so to speak.
Here's what happened at the NASA meeting:
you're cherry picking your quotes
No way, OBMonkey. Accusations of cherry-picking are totally off topic. We are arguing the meaning of the document we are discussing, specifically, this webpage, apollo.sese.asu.edu...
As a matter of fact, between myself, yourself and choos, we've nearly copied the entire text of the source page into this thread! and we have, each of us, annotated our interpretations to it. Are you going to do the fair thing now?
Will you accuse choos of cherry picking and admit that you did it yourself, too?
Back to the business of Disclosure
The NASA/CIA/ASU effort to photoshop the Apollo film records is totally predictable because the reseau pattern marks are one more fatal flaw in the Apollo narratives, which NASA has spent the last 40 years "harmonizing the scriptures", so to speak.
Here's what happened at the NASA meeting:
Boss: Hey team, it would be an awesome thing, if we could take out the Apollo negatives from the CIA cold storage facility, and you know, re-scan them, you know, and take out the cross hairs?
Team: Sounds like a great plan! Just don't tell the history department! They'll go nuts!
Boss: We have the total support of the history department. They are on board for this.
Team: Cool. Let's set up some legally binding contracts with our buddies at Arizona State! They have always been so helpful to NASA in the past/
Boss: Great idea! I know some people over there, you know, from networking in the Company.
Team: We are all one Company!
Boss: Okay. Everybody break out a deck of cards and play a game of solitaire....
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
you forgot this part of the scripture
you forgot this part of the scripture
team: hey boss what about all the private images people have been collecting for 40+ years
boss: no worries, we will have the CIA/NAZI's break into every single house in the world and hack into every single PC in the world and steal their images and replace them with images with no reseau marks.. they will be non the wiser
team: how will the CIA/NAZI perform such an amazing feat though?
boss: you forget, we are NASA.. our powers are akin to GOD
edit on 6-9-2013 by choos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by choos
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
you forgot this part of the scripture
team: hey boss what about all the private images people have been collecting for 40+ years
boss: no worries, we will have the CIA/NAZI's break into every single house in the world and hack into every single PC in the world and steal their images and replace them with images with no reseau marks.. they will be non the wiser
team: how will the CIA/NAZI perform such an amazing feat though?
boss: you forget, we are NASA.. our powers are akin to GOD
Team: And that proves Apollo was real.
Boss: Yes, it does. And we beat the Ruskies to the Moon. That's all that matters.
Team: Amen, to that!
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Team: And that proves Apollo was real.
Boss: Yes, it does. And we beat the Ruskies to the Moon. That's all that matters.
Team: Amen, to that!
boss: with our GOD-like powers we are able to go forward in time take video editing software bring it back to our time and fake the landing
team: we have that kind of power?
boss: not only do we have that power but if need be we can silence millions of people of several generations
team: we had no idea our powers extended that much
boss: you dont know the half of it.. the soviets are our puppets, same as india and japan and the europeans.. the world thinks its the US Gov or bankers who control the world.. but in reality its us, NASA because we are GOD himself
edit on 7-9-2013 by choos because: (no reason
given)
Obviously, we need to talk about Alan Bean's inability to follow the checklists which is illustrated at least twice, first in his failure to follow
instructions with the color tv camera and his blatant destruction of the camera by pointing it at the unfiltered sun, which is very similar method of
destruction to how a space-based laser weapon can disable a star sensor on an enemy spacecraft.... basically, you overload the circuits until they
fail.
The second illustration of Alan Bean's failure to follow checklists is before splashdown, he had failed to remove a mounted movie camera from the window the command module. When the module hit the ocean the camera and it's mount had broke off and hit Alan Bean in a glancing blow to the right temple. If the flying camera had struck him in the middle of his forehead, Bean says, it would have killed him.
See this video.
www.youtube.com...
The second illustration of Alan Bean's failure to follow checklists is before splashdown, he had failed to remove a mounted movie camera from the window the command module. When the module hit the ocean the camera and it's mount had broke off and hit Alan Bean in a glancing blow to the right temple. If the flying camera had struck him in the middle of his forehead, Bean says, it would have killed him.
See this video.
www.youtube.com...
Originally posted by choos
boss: you dont know the half of it.. the soviets are our puppets, same as india and japan and the europeans.. the world thinks its the US Gov or bankers who control the world.. but in reality its us, NASA because we are GOD himself
Boss: Now listen to me Team, you are getting sleepy, very, very sleepy. It's time to relax in your fluffy chairs and think the following words and repeat them in your mind.... follow me.... "We don't ask questions because it's for national security reasons." Repeat after me...
Team, in unison: We don't ask questions because it's for national security reasons.
Boss: Very good team. Now, report back to me when you have removed the back grounds and fiducial cross hairs from every Apollo image in our physical control, which is all of them. Keep in mind the mission is to preserve the Apollo heritage by removing the back ground and fiducials from the Apollo photographic image records. Do you understand your mission is for the Red Queen?
Team, in unison: Red Queen mission acknowledged!
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by onebigmonkey
you're cherry picking your quotes
No way, OBMonkey. Accusations of cherry-picking are totally off topic. We are arguing the meaning of the document we are discussing, specifically, this webpage, apollo.sese.asu.edu...
How can it be off topic when it is discussing something introduced into the thread? It is cherry picking because you are focusing on one sentence that suits your purpose while completely ignoring a sentence shortly afterwards that completely disproves your point.
As a matter of fact, between myself, yourself and choos, we've nearly copied the entire text of the source page into this thread! and we have, each of us, annotated our interpretations to it. Are you going to do the fair thing now?
Will you accuse choos of cherry picking and admit that you did it yourself, too?
No, because I certainly haven't and I don't see any evidence of choos doing that either. As with all other aspects of this discussion your saying it don't make it so.
Back to the business of Disclosure
The NASA/CIA/ASU effort to photoshop the Apollo film records is totally predictable because the reseau pattern marks are one more fatal flaw in the Apollo narratives, which NASA has spent the last 40 years "harmonizing the scriptures", so to speak.
Why is it predictable? Why are they a 'fatal flaw'?
DId someone in the planning team predict that software would be available in 50 years that would allow the crosses to be removed?
Once again:
- The original negatives are untouched
- The original photographs from which the digital copies are scanned are untouched
- The original unprocessed scans are freely available
- The original photographs were published, available to the public and are still freely available
If the only digital copies available were the edited ones you might have a point, but they aren't, so you don't. If you can find an example of one of these processed images where there is something missing or added that differs significantly from the original we might have something to talk about. There isn't, so we don't.
Your discussion of this topic is complete focused on your interpretation of a methodology's motives and a complete avoidance of the subject matter of that methodology, like the details in the photographs that are an exact match for what should be seen there and that could only have been taken in one place: on the moon.
edit on 7-9-2013 by onebigmonkey because: grandma
edit on 7-9-2013 by onebigmonkey because: clarity
question to anybody.
If NASA is able to track one piece of Apollo space junk why can't NASA track the missing Apollo lunar ascent modules? Eagle or Orion, are still missing, in 2013.
Why is NASA afraid of disclosing the truth about Eagle & Orion? Were the two missing modules used in clandestine lunar operations? Could they still be active operations using these modules? As laser weapons platforms?
If NASA is able to track one piece of Apollo space junk why can't NASA track the missing Apollo lunar ascent modules? Eagle or Orion, are still missing, in 2013.
Earth's new satellite is most likely the third stage of a massive Saturn V rocket that lifted Apollo 12 astronauts to the moon in November 1969, according to astronomers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory at Pasadena in California. Source www.smh.com.au...
Why is NASA afraid of disclosing the truth about Eagle & Orion? Were the two missing modules used in clandestine lunar operations? Could they still be active operations using these modules? As laser weapons platforms?
Originally posted by onebigmonkey
How can it be off topic when it is discussing something introduced into the thread? It is cherry picking because you
That's the second time you are accusing me of cherry picking. In a formal debate you would be disqualified.
Now, for the second time, I will show you that
the background is removed from all of the scans, by assuming that the average DN values of the unexposed regions at the edge of each raw scanned image represent the background (i.e., film base and fog). Source apollo.sese.asu.edu...
Originally posted by choos
they wanted to, but they simply could not, there was not enough funding to continue going to the moon.. do you know anything about history?? do you even know when it was that apollo 18-20 were cancelled and for what reasons?? are you even aware of the budgets from 1968-1972??
it is your expectations.. you expected them to continue going to the moon, when financially and politcally they could not..
I've already told you why those excuses don't work. They had money to spend on the Shuttle program. over ~40 years. It was not done for political gain, rather the opposite - it was mainly seen as a waste of money. Or of little benefit.
But it went along, with NASA's propaganda / spin.
Originally posted by choos
it is not a step backwards.. just look at the feat of the ISS.. the ISS has more technology in it than the entire apollo program.. it is the single most expensive human project to date.. and its a step backwards because you believe it is, due to your ignorance??
you cant study the effects of microgravity on the moon.. its safer and cheaper to have a science lab in LEO than on the moon.. if you believe its safer and cheaper to have a science lab on the moon you do not live in reality.
It is clearly a step backwards.
The goal is not to improve a technology for its own sake.
The goal is to explore space, to know more about our universe. Technology is really the 'tool 'we use, iwhichallows us to reach out for those goals.
In human space exploration, one step was going into near-Earth orbit.. To go one complete orbit in NEO. And then to go into LEO.
The next step was not just to go beyond LEO, Supposedly, the next step was going right to the moon,
Amazing.
So what did they plan to do after that? You know, right?
It wasn't to go back into LEO, for the next 40 years.
That's utter nonsense.
Originally posted by choos
[money funds technology.. how many times do i have to tell you this.. without money there is no technology.. seriously just look at research and development.. look at how much any large corporation spends on research and development..
and all the technology issues are mostly related to the heavy lift vehicle.. the only thing related to the orion casule is the automated process of manufacturing the heatshield (technology that has never existed) and reducing mass.. most of the other technology issues are related to the heavy lift vehicle and making it safer and more reliable.. read the report fully..
Look -
You say the technology required for a manned moon mission will take loads of money to be (fully) developed... right?
Apollo's technology is an example, yes?
The goal was to land on the moon, then longer stays, and a moon base, right? See their documents, if you doubt this.
It was too costly, supposedly, and that's why it died for good.
It's much cheaper to develop technology for the Shuttle. To fly in LEO makes perfect sense, as tthe next step after landing on the moon.
Wow, sure thing.
Originally posted by choos
no your report says the main reason it is not going as well as it can is because they cannot secure funding.. the entire report was basically saying there wasnt enough funding to support the constellation program.. have you even read past the first two pages??
everything you have listed here is money money money, and then they didnt get money and then you proceed to conclude its not about money??? they need money to pay engineers to solve the issues.. the technology exists..
If you could quote a snippet or two, maybe? Your saying so just doesn't cut it.
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Originally posted by choos
boss: you dont know the half of it.. the soviets are our puppets, same as india and japan and the europeans.. the world thinks its the US Gov or bankers who control the world.. but in reality its us, NASA because we are GOD himself
Boss: Now listen to me Team, you are getting sleepy, very, very sleepy. It's time to relax in your fluffy chairs and think the following words and repeat them in your mind.... follow me.... "We don't ask questions because it's for national security reasons." Repeat after me...
Team, in unison: We don't ask questions because it's for national security reasons.
Boss: Very good team. Now, report back to me when you have removed the back grounds and fiducial cross hairs from every Apollo image in our physical control, which is all of them. Keep in mind the mission is to preserve the Apollo heritage by removing the back ground and fiducials from the Apollo photographic image records. Do you understand your mission is for the Red Queen?
Team, in unison: Red Queen mission acknowledged!
Repeat after me take off the aluminum hat get out of your moms basement youll be ok. Look at this point your beating a dead horse NASA isnt the all powerful entity that can control the world. There is scientists throughtout the planet that would notice if something want right. You have to realize scientists request data from NASA all the time in fact you can as well. You can test moon samples by submitting paperwork.You can request scans of any document they have there archived in the library of congress as well. Then theres is the multiple air and space museums that all have copies of pictures.
Dont you think if there was really a problem with anything NASA puts out that one of the space agencies in other countries might notice. Since im sure if there data contradicted NASA we would know. In fact im betting India or china beats us back to the moon since NASAs budget was cancelled again.
reply to post by turbonium1
The reusable shuttle was space on a poor mans budget. The shuttles no where near the cost of the Apollo program in man hours and money. This was NASAs idea to stay in the satellite business since the days of expendable resources ended.Only draw back was maintenance cost were higher then expected as fleet aged final solution cancel the shuttle program without an alternative in place. So now where begging for rides from the Russians.And thanks to budget cuts probably for the next decade. But its not about money now we just have a space agency that cant get into space i guess you figure thats the way they wanted it right?
The reusable shuttle was space on a poor mans budget. The shuttles no where near the cost of the Apollo program in man hours and money. This was NASAs idea to stay in the satellite business since the days of expendable resources ended.Only draw back was maintenance cost were higher then expected as fleet aged final solution cancel the shuttle program without an alternative in place. So now where begging for rides from the Russians.And thanks to budget cuts probably for the next decade. But its not about money now we just have a space agency that cant get into space i guess you figure thats the way they wanted it right?
edit on 9/7/13 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
question to anybody.
If NASA is able to track one piece of Apollo space junk why can't NASA track the missing Apollo lunar ascent modules? Eagle or Orion, are still missing, in 2013.
Earth's new satellite is most likely the third stage of a massive Saturn V rocket that lifted Apollo 12 astronauts to the moon in November 1969, according to astronomers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory at Pasadena in California. Source www.smh.com.au...
Why is NASA afraid of disclosing the truth about Eagle & Orion? Were the two missing modules used in clandestine lunar operations? Could they still be active operations using these modules? As laser weapons platforms?
heres the very first sentence from the article you have linked to:
A long-lost piece of an Apollo rocket has returned to Earth's orbit after decades of racing around the sun - the first time our planet has captured an object from solar orbit.
a long-lost piece of an Apollo rocket.. Long-lost.. im going to let that sink in a bit for you
and look at that.. they cant even ponpoint which apollo mission it came from.. so its from 1969-1972.. assuming they were even looking for it and it wasnt found by accident, is this the kind of error you expect NASA to find orion and eagle ascent stages??
Originally posted by turbonium1
I've already told you why those excuses don't work. They had money to spend on the Shuttle program. over ~40 years. It was not done for political gain, rather the opposite - it was mainly seen as a waste of money. Or of little benefit.
But it went along, with NASA's propaganda / spin.
no you havent considered the expenses of running ALL THE PROGRAMS.. not just the shuttle missions, but all of them and on top of that you want to launch apollo missions as well?? the shuttle missions are already expensive and you want to run the apollo missions on top of that??
have you no sense of reality?
It is clearly a step backwards.
The goal is not to improve a technology for its own sake.
The goal is to explore space, to know more about our universe. Technology is really the 'tool 'we use, iwhichallows us to reach out for those goals.
In human space exploration, one step was going into near-Earth orbit.. To go one complete orbit in NEO. And then to go into LEO.
The next step was not just to go beyond LEO, Supposedly, the next step was going right to the moon,
Amazing.
So what did they plan to do after that? You know, right?
It wasn't to go back into LEO, for the next 40 years.
That's utter nonsense.
how is it a step backwards?? please explain?? how is the ISS technology and engineering backwards from apollo??
because your uninformed self says so??
Look -
You say the technology required for a manned moon mission will take loads of money to be (fully) developed... right?
Apollo's technology is an example, yes?
The goal was to land on the moon, then longer stays, and a moon base, right? See their documents, if you doubt this.
It was too costly, supposedly, and that's why it died for good.
It's much cheaper to develop technology for the Shuttle. To fly in LEO makes perfect sense, as tthe next step after landing on the moon.
Wow, sure thing.
building the ISS helps further studies in space.. flying equipment to the ISS is cheaper than flying equipment to the moon.. flying man to the ISS is cheaper than flying man to the moon.. flying man to the ISS is safer than flying man to the moon.. do you deny these??
how is it reasonable to study effects of space on the moon than in the ISS considering the above points?
and if you want them to run both programs at the same time.. then say good bye to every single other space program that NASA finances.. actually say goodbye to the US economy.
If you could quote a snippet or two, maybe? Your saying so just doesn't cut it.
double standards.. my saying so doesnt cut it.. but your saying so apparently is solid proof of everything.. just like the GCR's making someone sick or maybe killing someone in an aluminium shell within a week right? apparently now you "saying so" is proof.
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p.s. going backwards would be to stop space exploration completely.
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