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Originally posted by choos
you have seen the numbers already which prove that 12 days on the moon is about 0.7cGy .
Originally posted by turbonium1
So where did they get the numbers, which "prove" your claim? Hmm...
"From data obtained on the Apollo missions (Benton, 1984), it can be estimated that the daily HZE particle fluence within a spacecraft in transit between the,earth and moon would be approximately 17 particles cm-r with LET greater than 100 keV pm-‘. The total fluence of such particles for the entire lunar mission would be about 800 HZE’s cm-*."
www.workingonthemoon.com...
So your numbers are actually estimates based on Apollo's own numbers!!,
Voila! Apollo proves Apollo!
You must be joking!!
The radiation environments to be expected
in various space scenarios are described and measurement data that
have been recorded during some United States and some Soviet flights
are discussed.
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Well I can explain. Secret missions
Originally posted by DelMarvel
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Well I can explain. Secret missions
How could they have secretly launched a Saturn V?
Originally posted by turbonium1
These basic facts show why Apollo was a hoax...
Originally posted by turbonium1
To venture into deep space without any radiation shielding would cause severe illness, even death...probably within a few days. A human can't go into deep space) without adequate shielding, for just that reason.
So what would happen if you had no shield? Within a week, you'd likely be sick or dead.
What would happen if the radiation was intensified? The heath effects would be even more severe, obviously.
Aluminum intensifies radiation in deep space.
Apollo was primarily made of aluminum.
These basic facts show why Apollo was a hoax...
Originally posted by choos
[but like you said.. many other organisations corroborate this data.. otherwise.. what weight does your saying that the radiation inside an aluminium shell is too high hold for the manned moon mission?? since the data came from NASA?
but really lets see the numbers that you have.. since you wont believe NASA's data. you seem to have come to the conclusion that they are lowered.. and that other organisations have numbers which are enormously higher.. apparently you have these numbers.. how else can you be so sure that the levels of radiation for 12 days will make apollo mission impossible.
p.s. the lunacy in your post shows.. by denying the data you are alluding that the entire space/science/engineering community realise that NASA's data is falsified.. and since not one person has pointed out that the data is magnitudes in size lower than what they should be, they must all be part of the moon landing hoax.. which would equate to several million more people and growing.. you must be the one who is joking otherwise lets see your magical alternative data.edit on 30-6-2013 by choos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by turbonium1
That means Apollo data is regarded as garbage by experts today
Originally posted by turbonium1
The Apollo data suggests aluminum is an adequate radiation shield in deep space. At the time, this was accepted as true. The recent reports say it 'used to be thought' that aluminum was an adequate radiation shield for deep space.
That is not what they say anymore. They say aluminum intensifies the radiation, It is worse than no shield at all. That means Apollo data is regarded as garbage by experts today , It makes no sense at all tfor them o use it, or to refer to it. That's why they barely acknowledge it, or completely ignore it.
Aluminum intensifies the radiation in deep space. It is not a shield, it is worse than having no shield at all. Those are solid facts. You can deny it all you want, but it is the absolute truth..
To venture into deep space without any radiation shielding would cause severe illness, even death...probably within a few days. A human can't go into deep space) without adequate shielding, for just that reason.
So what would happen if you had no shield? Within a week, you'd likely be sick or dead. www.abovetopsecret.com...
I didn't make those claims, you merely attributed them to me. You're the one who made a claim about aluminum adequately shielding a crew for 6 days or so - a la Apollo missions. I said the experts never supported your claim, which is true.
Nor did I claim about killing all onboard. I simply repeated what the experts said, which is that aluminum will increase the radiation hazard beyond LEO, and it is inadequate for shielding a crew beyond LEO. Those claims are also true..
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by choos
if you mean within a few days ie. about 12 days. proof data and citation please.
Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
reply to post by choos
He won't listen you know. He'll just recite the same things again and again.
Originally posted by turbonium1
Are you implying that humans don't need any shielding for short-stay lunar missions? That they'd still be in perfect health afterwards?
If not, then what do you think would happen to them?
Originally posted by choos
actually no, aluminium is a good enough shield for short missions.. because the time of exposure is not high enough with regards to GCR's..
Originally posted by turbonium1
Originally posted by choos
actually no, aluminium is a good enough shield for short missions.. because the time of exposure is not high enough with regards to GCR's..
So you believe aluminum is a "good enough shield" for short missions....because..umm...because it intensifies the radiation?
If that's a good shield to you, I'd sure like to know what you consider a bad one!!
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Originally posted by choos
actually yes.. for short stays on the moon, excluding large SPE's they dont need shielding against GCR's.
there i said it.edit on 30-6-2013 by choos because: (no reason given)
p.s. prove me wrong.. provide the numbers which suggest GCR's are so high in deep space that a man cannot survive without getting sick in 6-12 days time.
Originally posted by turbonium1
The experts I've quoted prove you wrong. They clearly say adequate shielding is needed in the deep space environment.
So, how about you citing these experts who support your claim, that no shielding at all is needed for short-term lunar missions, except in the case of large SPE's?
That should be quite interesting.....