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If I landed on the moon, why would I care if someone claims that I didn't?
originally posted by: choos
you were the one saying that the darker area next to the LM would be easily visible from space.. and now you are saying there is no darker area around the LM?? do you want to make up your mind first before commenting??
originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: turbonium1
You're seeing a moment in time. Convicted violent criminal Bart Sibrel is a serial stalker and hounded these guys with his pointless publicity stunt. They did not blow up in an instant, it took hours of Sibrel being an annoying cock to get them to that point.
originally posted by: turbonium1
originally posted by: choos
you were the one saying that the darker area next to the LM would be easily visible from space.. and now you are saying there is no darker area around the LM?? do you want to make up your mind first before commenting??
I'd like you to cite the post(s) where you think I've claimed 'the darker area next to the LM would be easily visible from space'...
Then, after you find out I never made such an argument, you might realize why it's important to know exactly what I've said, before commenting on it.
originally posted by: turbonium1
You pointed to a darker area by the LM, claiming it shows "plume burn".
Take a look at the ground elsewhere in this panorama.
The right side has an area MUCH DARKER than the area you contend is "plume burn".
It's not seen in the LRO images, even though it's much darker than the area near the LM.
originally posted by: turbonium1
originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: turbonium1
You're seeing a moment in time. Convicted violent criminal Bart Sibrel is a serial stalker and hounded these guys with his pointless publicity stunt. They did not blow up in an instant, it took hours of Sibrel being an annoying cock to get them to that point.
Sibrel certainly hounded Aldrin, but that's the only case I'm aware of. He didn't hound him for "hours", iirc.
Do you have any proof of Sibrel hounding other astronauts, and for "hours"?
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: turbonium1
If I landed on the moon, why would I care if someone claims that I didn't?
You should care because the taxpayer do. If you claim a lie. It does mean a lot to the once who paid for the whole plot through taxes.
Aldrin says "If you show THIS publicly, you're open for a lawsuit". "this" I took to mean the Video Sibrel was filming at the moment he said it (and the previous bits) without Aldrin's permission, under false pretenses. I didn't take it to mean that Aldrin meant the old video which Sibrel said was from 1969.
originally posted by: turbonium1
Aldrin tries to scare Sibrel from showing the footage in public - Aldrin says he (Sibrel) could be sued if he ever releases it.
If Aldrin landed on the moon, he knows the video cannot be proof of a hoax. Aldrin would not be worried about it being shown in public, and would not threaten to sue him to prevent it from being released.
originally posted by: choos
"The right side has an area MUCH DARKER than the area you contend is "plume burn".
It's not seen in the LRO images, even though it's much darker than the area near the LM."
here you are suggesting that the right side should have been visible from the LRO images.. but its not..
originally posted by: onebigmonkey
You are basing your entire response here on your totally fictional notion of what you would do in the same circumstances. You have no idea how you would respond in these circumstances because they are never going to happen, and even if you did your personal reaction does not dictate how someone else would or should respond.
originally posted by: onebigmonkey
The fact that Aldrin did not behave in a way you have decided is appropriate offers absolutely no proof of anything other than your clearly superior moral standards.
You are deceiving yourself. Aldrin's reaction is the more honest one. Convicted violent criminal Sibrel was floored by a pensioner. A judge in a court of law determined that Sibrel brought it on himself. So what?
originally posted by: turbonium1
I am not suggesting the dark area on the right side should be seen in LRO images.
Your claim is a dark area is seen in LRO images, which was caused by the LM's plume burn. I said a much darker area is seen in the panorama, but it is not seen in the LRO images. Follow me so far?
I didn't say it should be seen. I said if the area around the LM can be seen in LRO images, as you claim, we'd also see another area which appears to be much darker.
Since the much darker area is not seen in LRO images, it means the less dark area you claim is around the LM cannot be seen in LRO images either. That's my point.
It confirms once more that you have no case.
originally posted by: turbonium1
I'm basing it on human behavior. Normal versus abnormal responses to a given situation.
originally posted by: turbonium1
originally posted by: onebigmonkey
You are basing your entire response here on your totally fictional notion of what you would do in the same circumstances. You have no idea how you would respond in these circumstances because they are never going to happen, and even if you did your personal reaction does not dictate how someone else would or should respond.
I'm basing it on human behavior. Normal versus abnormal responses to a given situation.
I've been accused of lying on another forum. It didn't make me mad. It just motivated me to prove them wrong.
Which I did. I knew I hadn't lied, and they had no case.
A liar will not do that. He will try and hide away from it. He becomes nervous if he gets caught in a lie. He will get angry.
Aldrin is accused of lying. He is shown evidence which allegedly proves that he lied.
An honest man will face up to the accuser's evidence, a liar will not. The truth cannot be disputed, because he knows he is a liar.
That only shows judges aren't always right, and make mistakes.
Some judges give preferential treatment to a famous celebrity, a well-respected heroic figure... which is the case for Aldrin.
Suppose a video was presented in court, which shows a man pestering you across a street. He calls you liar, thief, criminal, etc. And then you punch him in the head.
You would never be treated like Aldrin was. No way, no how.
You and Aldrin did the same thing, in the same scenario. But you would not get the same treatment in a court of law. You aren't a famous heroic god-figure astronaut, like Aldrin is.
Michael Collins in Command Module simulator during simulated rendezvous and docking maneuver on June 19, 1969
originally posted by: turbonium1
Not the Apollo guys, who blow up over it. You should realize why this is not a normal reaction to have...