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Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

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posted on Apr, 18 2013 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by XaniMatriX

Hey Phage i haven't seen you in forever dude.

But Apollo missions, from 1969 to 1972, were occurring during a solar maximum where the particles could have been charged instantly, there would have been no time to duck into safety, why risk something so dangerous?

And the Van Allen Belt actually protects us from Solar and Cosmic radiation, it's like the atmosphere protecting this planet from meteors and such, i don't know where you got the idea that it doesn't?

Wait wait, what contingency plans? i never heard of these, especially to do with solar and cosmic radiation spiking to dangerous levels at the speed of light, so almost instantly.


speed of light or no speed of light it still requires time for the particles to reach the astronauts, its not instant.

had you been bothered to click the link phage posted you would have read their plans if an event occurs and the risks they were willing to take:


and just because it happens to be a solar maximum does not mean the sun is constantly spewing out particles non stop in the direction of the earth and moon.
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posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by XaniMatriX

Originally posted by turbonium1

Originally posted by Zaphod58
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Explain the difference between radiation on earth and in space. Once you understand that, you'll understand why thinner is better. Until you realize that there's a huge difference between the two, you'll keep arguing that lead and DU are the best shields, which will kill anyone onboard.


I didn't say anything about lead or DU. I requested some sources on aluminum and fibrous insulation being adequate shielding in the VA Belts. I'm still waiting.

So, how about it?


You can find that information even on the NASA webpage, but even they admit that it is only adequate for lower levels of radiation, if there was a spike like a solar wind raising the energy, yeah those guys would be fried pretty quick, but i am also questioning how they protected them self's against the solar and cosmic radiation outside the Van Allen Belt, aluminum would not protect them, not even the suit's they were wearing, and as previously stated, during the Apollo missions it was the solar maximum.


Duuuude!
I already provided you with the link with van Allen explaining it



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 02:00 AM
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Except that solar maximum doesn't mean that they got hit by a blast of radiation. This year is a solar maximum and the sun has been rather quiet so far.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
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Except that solar maximum doesn't mean that they got hit by a blast of radiation. This year is a solar maximum and the sun has been rather quiet so far.


You guys can say what ever you want, it's too dangerous now (NASA and other scientists said so) and it was even more dangerous back in the 60's/70's.

All you guys talk about are just excuses that are no longer tested, they abandoned the project and insulted the tax paying consumers, sorry guys, it's just my point of view.

Like i said, unless they do it again, or had some sort of ISS station thingy on the moon (if you guys claim it's possible to go there and back safely) or have some sort of working rover on the moon, then yeah, i am with you guys on the whole official story, until then lets agree to disagree



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 06:47 PM
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You guys can say what ever you want, it's too dangerous now (NASA and other scientists said so) and it was even more dangerous back in the 60's/70's.
Where does NASA and other scientists say so? Are you talking about long term missions? Months of exposure is not the same as days.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by XaniMatriX
Like i said, unless they do it again, or had some sort of ISS station thingy on the moon (if you guys claim it's possible to go there and back safely) or have some sort of working rover on the moon, then yeah, i am with you guys on the whole official story, until then lets agree to disagree


XaniMatriX is right. Nobody can demonstrate a human outside LEO. And until such a demonstration is made all the radiation experts in the world can have nothing to say about it. Period.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 11:43 PM
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super sonic passenger jets no longer fly as well, so until super sonic passenger jets start flying again no aeronautical expert can say that supersonic passenger jets can/has ever possibly exist. the concorde was really just a hologram.
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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by XaniMatriX

Originally posted by turbonium1

I didn't say anything about lead or DU. I requested some sources on aluminum and fibrous insulation being adequate shielding in the VA Belts. I'm still waiting.

So, how about it?


You can find that information even on the NASA webpage, but even they admit that it is only adequate for lower levels of radiation, if there was a spike like a solar wind raising the energy, yeah those guys would be fried pretty quick, but i am also questioning how they protected them self's against the solar and cosmic radiation outside the Van Allen Belt, aluminum would not protect them, not even the suit's they were wearing, and as previously stated, during the Apollo missions it was the solar maximum.


It's true - the missions occurred during a solar maximum. But the problem is that it still allows all sorts of wriggling room for Apollo-ites to make up excuses - as you see, they jump at the chance to address it.

That's why I like to stick to the issue of aluminum, because it cannot be excused like the above issue.

The Apollo spacecraft were primarily thin aluminum shells. It's a well-documented fact that aluminum is a very poor shield against the radiation within the VA Belts. While the same goes for radiation beyond the VA Belts (ie: solar flares), I focus on the radiation within the VA Belts alone, again because it cannot be excused.

As you see, they just ignore the problem, and hope nobody notices.

But it was noticed.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by Phage
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You guys can say what ever you want, it's too dangerous now (NASA and other scientists said so) and it was even more dangerous back in the 60's/70's.
Where does NASA and other scientists say so? Are you talking about long term missions? Months of exposure is not the same as days.


It's the radiation beyond LEO that is the first, most serious problem That includes the radiation within the VA Belts, a region which is flown through the same way whether you're going to the moon for a day, or to Mars for a year.

Apollo-ites try to say only long-term missions are a problem for us today, which is simply not the case. A long-term mission would obviously be more hazardous than short-term missions, but that doesn't mean a whole lot since BOTH missions are hazardous!!



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by choos
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super sonic passenger jets no longer fly as well, so until super sonic passenger jets start flying again no aeronautical expert can say that supersonic passenger jets can/has ever possibly exist. the concorde was really just a hologram.
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And the Wright Brothers plane no longer flies, but that's hardly relevant to the point either!

You can take anything at all to such absurd lengths, then claim it's a victory!

So it's important to consider WHY something is not repeated again. The Wright Brothers plane isn't built anymore because it's obsolete. The Concorde isn't built anymore because it was found to be not profitable.

Nothing can excuse the so-called 'return' to the moon, however.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 03:59 AM
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I think the moon landing was real, faking such a thing would be the lowest low humans have ever gone if such a thing were true. That's a tall order.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 04:05 AM
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Originally posted by turbonium1

Originally posted by choos
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
 


super sonic passenger jets no longer fly as well, so until super sonic passenger jets start flying again no aeronautical expert can say that supersonic passenger jets can/has ever possibly exist. the concorde was really just a hologram.
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And the Wright Brothers plane no longer flies, but that's hardly relevant to the point either!

You can take anything at all to such absurd lengths, then claim it's a victory!

So it's important to consider WHY something is not repeated again. The Wright Brothers plane isn't built anymore because it's obsolete. The Concorde isn't built anymore because it was found to be not profitable.

Nothing can excuse the so-called 'return' to the moon, however.


but why do people use the excuse that we havent returned to the moon as evidence we never went yet discount the fact that the concordes/tu-144 no longer fly therefore they never took passengers as irrelevant?

how profitable is flying man to the moon? whereas robots can do similar things at much less of the costs and can adhere to todays OHS standards?


Apollo-ites try to say only long-term missions are a problem for us today, which is simply not the case. A long-term mission would obviously be more hazardous than short-term missions, but that doesn't mean a whole lot since BOTH missions are hazardous!!


what are the chances of a large solar event that results in a large amount of particles being released in the direction of the moon for a one week stay, and now what are the chances for an indefinite stay?

regarding the VA belts, a short term exposure to the VA belt will not be instantly deadly as the cells will be given time to heal after they pass the VA belts. did you know the ISS and shuttle pass through the SAMA cumulatively for several hours per day? you know much about risk management?
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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by turbonium1

The Apollo spacecraft were primarily thin aluminum shells. It's a well-documented fact that aluminum is a very poor shield against the radiation within the VA Belts. While the same goes for radiation beyond the VA Belts (ie: solar flares), I focus on the radiation within the VA Belts alone, again because it cannot be excused.

As you see, they just ignore the problem, and hope nobody notices.

But it was noticed.


here have a quick read:
www.clavius.org...



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by choos

Originally posted by turbonium1

Originally posted by choos

but why do people use the excuse that we havent returned to the moon as evidence we never went yet discount the fact that the concordes/tu-144 no longer fly therefore they never took passengers as irrelevant?

how profitable is flying man to the moon? whereas robots can do similar things at much less of the costs and can adhere to todays OHS standards?


It's not profitable, nor is it meant to be. The Concorde wasn't profitable, but WAS meant to be.

For many years, the excuse for not going 'back' to the moon was that it'd already been done, and nothing more could be gained from doing it again. It was just a big, boring rock, anyway!

That excuse didn't work after they started a project to go 'back' to the moon. That proved they DID want to do it.

But it failed, and proved even more why we haven't gone 'back' since Apollo supposedly went.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by turbonium1

It's not profitable, nor is it meant to be. The Concorde wasn't profitable, but WAS meant to be.

For many years, the excuse for not going 'back' to the moon was that it'd already been done, and nothing more could be gained from doing it again. It was just a big, boring rock, anyway!

That excuse didn't work after they started a project to go 'back' to the moon. That proved they DID want to do it.

But it failed, and proved even more why we haven't gone 'back' since Apollo supposedly went.


sure they wanted to go back. but do you even know why they didnt? do you even know who was saying its a waste to go back? NASA the GOV or the people of america? NASA wanted to go back, NASA just came up with too many plans and opted to go for a space station rather than a moon base thus wasting time and money. the people complained NASA was a waste of time and money the GOV cant just make the people give them money and spend it on NASA when the people are not even interested in a moon base.

NASA cant do much without support.

p.s. do you really think anyone will support NASA for wasting money? if landing on the moon was to be deemed unprofitable, do you honestly believe that people will support NASA returning to the moon? you sure people wont ask why NASA is wasting tax payers money on unprofitable ventures? or perhaps the profits will occur elsewhere? ever thought of that?
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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:36 PM
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But Apollo missions, from 1969 to 1972, were occurring during a solar maximum where the particles could have been charged instantly, there would have been no time to duck into safety, why risk something so dangerous?
Um. All of the particles from the Sun are charged. It's called plasma.


And the Van Allen Belt actually protects us from Solar and Cosmic radiation, it's like the atmosphere protecting this planet from meteors and such, i don't know where you got the idea that it doesn't?
No. The Van Allen belts do no protect us. As I said, the Van Allen belts are regions of captured high energy particles.


Wait wait, what contingency plans? i never heard of these,
Then read the link I provided.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:37 PM
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You need to watch Capricorn One, not to take into account as fact's but it does show how it can be done, just saying, if you didn't watch it it's a pretty good movie,

No. It's a horribly silly movie.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:41 PM
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The Apollo spacecraft were primarily thin aluminum shells. It's a well-documented fact that aluminum is a very poor shield against the radiation within the VA Belts.
Please provide such documentation. But you understand that the interior of the command module was lined with equipment right? Equipment which quite effectively absorbed radiation. The skin was not the only protection.




I went through six weeks of radiotherapy 26 years ago. On a daily basis I received a hell of a lot more radiation than the Apollo astronauts did.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by choos
sure they wanted to go back. but do you even know why they didnt?


Same reason they didn't go over 40 years ago - a lack of required technology.


Originally posted by choos
do you even know who was saying its a waste to go back? NASA the GOV or the people of america?


Many people say that NASA itself is a waste of taxpayer's money, let alone a specific project.

And public apathy never stopped NASA's Space Shuttles from looping the Earth over and over again, for about 30 years! .


Originally posted by choos

NASA wanted to go back, NASA just came up with too many plans and opted to go for a space station rather than a moon base thus wasting time and money. the people complained NASA was a waste of time and money the GOV cant just make the people give them money and spend it on NASA when the people are not even interested in a moon base.

NASA cant do much without support.


Lack of support didn't stop the Shuttle program, as I said.

NASA can't put astronauts on the moon, that's why only LEO flights are done..


Originally posted by choos

p.s. do you really think anyone will support NASA for wasting money? if landing on the moon was to be deemed unprofitable, do you honestly believe that people will support NASA returning to the moon? you sure people wont ask why NASA is wasting tax payers money on unprofitable ventures? or perhaps the profits will occur elsewhere? ever thought of that?
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NASA's projects are never 'profitable', except to those involved in the project, like suplliers. The taxpaying public don't profit from it, but they certainly pay for it.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by choos

Originally posted by turbonium1

The Apollo spacecraft were primarily thin aluminum shells. It's a well-documented fact that aluminum is a very poor shield against the radiation within the VA Belts. While the same goes for radiation beyond the VA Belts (ie: solar flares), I focus on the radiation within the VA Belts alone, again because it cannot be excused.

As you see, they just ignore the problem, and hope nobody notices.

But it was noticed.


here have a quick read:
www.clavius.org...


Don't see anything relevant to the issue of aluminum shielding. Can you be more specific?





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