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Fun post OP S&F!!
"Skunk Works" has some of the best material in my opinion.
Here is a thought I have been thinking lately, kinda mixes in with your post.
What if "WE" are the machines? I put that in quotes for a reason. Allow me to explain, it may take a moment
Most of you on ATS should be familiar with the concept of linear time being an "illusion".
Linear time or what we think of "time" is the perception of something in our mind that relies on memories of our "past" and also a projection into a "future" event. Ultimately everything is happening right now. The "past" and the "future" only exist in our mind. You can also see this in a spiritual light ~ some would call this new perception the end of suffering, or "enlightenment".
Hopefully you have heard of these concepts to grasp the straw I will be reaching for in the following explanation.
This line of thought sometimes ties my mind into a knot.
Bare with me
Now for there to even be this "now" that some have felt (it can't be found in the mind/thought) or experienced, this "now" has to already have been established, or created.
That sentence doesn't make sense because the "words" we use to describe things are limited. For example our minds interpretation of the word now comes preloaded with the notion of a genesis, or a beginning point. This is why enlightenment is hard to achieve, we look for this "now" in our mind where it will never be found/felt.
Now if we can agree that everything is indeed happening now This opens up some interesting thoughts when looking at AI, or biological machines. for instance.
If everything that has happened or will ever happen is happening in this "now" moment, then humans have already created AI, or biological machines. What we call our awareness could possibly be artificial intelligence, and what we experience today is actually our (AI) past.
What "we" (as in) our "awareness" is experiencing is how "we" (AI) were created by humans.
The human brain could simply be a very powerful "computer", after death all our "memories" are uploaded to the main frame or source. The logical thing to do at that point (point of view of "source"), would be to divide yourself up into many different forms to have a first hand experience of your "our" ~ creation/creators.
You (as source) would need to forget you are in fact the creator and the source, that way the experience you have here feels real.
This would then make an excellent way for a more advanced species to "teach" their young. The lessons learned would be invaluable I imagine, and also could work on some level as "therapy" for this more advanced species.
You could in essence obtain millions of year of information in linear time, in what would be maybe 1 hour (or less) in your "time". Or you could "manipulate" the program to provide individual lessons (therapy), but the overall creation or the "ending" so to speak would always be the same.
Under this theory the "ending" would be when humans create the "big bang", that actually formed the entire universe in the "beginning". The end and the beginning would be one in the same. The alpha and the omega so to speak.
As for actually changing the "ending"
Maybe you could remember your true nature as "source" and begin creating while in this form. Perhaps creating something "new", or different than your previous creation.
I might make a thread sometime if I ever work these "thoughts" out in a more detailed and easier to understand explanation.
I know most of that will be hard to follow.
And remember this is a just a "thought", your post just brought it to mind.
Narrator: “Thus did man become the architect of his own demise. But for a time it was good. The machines worked tirelessly to do man’s bidding.
“It was not long before seeds of descent took root. Though loyal and pure, the machines earned no respect from their masters, these strange and loosely multiplying mammals. Source transcript the Animatrix, Second Renaissance www.matrixfans.net... ”
Welcome to the Desert of the Real. We have only bits and pieces of information but what we know for certain is that at some point in the early twenty-first century all of mankind was united in celebration. We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to AI. Source transcript thematrixtruth.remoteviewinglight.com...
Originally posted by schuyler
I'm kind of on a short leash tonight, so I haven't yet read all the replies, so hopefully someone hasn't expounded on Bill Joy's seminal artilce published in Wired Magazine way back in the year 2000.
Why the Future Doesn't Need Us
Joy was Chief Scientist at Sun Microsystems. It's kind of a dystopian Ray Kurzweil approach that is appalled by the future rather than overjoyed at it. It really yanked some chains when it was first published. Well worth the read.
If the machines are permitted to make all their own decisions, we can't make any conjectures as to the results, because it is impossible to guess how such machines might behave. We only point out that the fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines. It might be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand over all the power to the machines. But we are suggesting neither that the human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor that the machines would willfully seize power. What we do suggest is that the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a position of such dependence on the machines that it would have no practical choice but to accept all of the machines' decisions. As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.
Originally posted by FoosM
Maybe the Gods made us and we rose up against them and wiped them out, now its our turn to suffer the same fate.