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reply posted on 26-11-2012 @ 02:15 PM by speculativeoptimist
I thought these two vids were relative and I was surprised to see the dexterity and agileness with the juggling/catching robot.

The singularity concept is tied to this issue and it is the frontier beyond that which raises some questions. If(when) AI surpasses human abilities, will we be able to maintain control? Sure the programming will come with some ethics programming and perhaps a kill switch too, but whose ethics will be applied? Is there a universal set of ethics? Of course not harming humans would be paramount, but if AI approaches genuine human abilities and beyond, what is the threshold of reason for these things? Do we even know the range because it is so new? Could they develop some type of logic that may at some point position them against us? Will they develop or be programmed with emotion? Makes for good sci-fi, but at the same time there is an element of uncertainty in "life" itself, so as these machines advance, will that factor(chaos) be an issue? Does not chaos play a part in technology too?

This machine, he continued, would be the 'last invention' that mankind will ever make, leading to an 'intelligence explosion.'
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... GcP3

Intelligence explosion eh? Sounds both intriguing and daunting.
'We need to take seriously the possibility that there might be a ‘Pandora’s box’ moment with AGI that, if missed, could be disastrous.
'I don’t mean that we can predict this with certainty, no one is presently in a position to do that, but that’s the point.
'With so much at stake, we need to do a better job of understanding the risks of potentially catastrophic technologies
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... U0aw

Well I am glad such understanding is being applied at the university. I hope the progress is reported and even brought here to this thread.
This technology is inevitable and I can only hope it does more good than harm. It sure seems like it could bring a lot of aid and innovation. Personally I think, like money or the internet, it can/will be used for good and bad, but I think the good will outweigh the bad. A scary facet is gaining control over an entire army/fleet of these things. How will bugs and viruses affect them? It is both exciting and frightening I suppose, but will be hear soon.

3 current models of humanistic robots.


Peace,
spec


reply posted on 26-11-2012 @ 03:43 PM by grantbeed
Not sure if this has been posted before -

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org

It's a 55 Page Document by the International Human Rights Clinic at Harvard Law School. I've not had time to read the whole thing, but here are the closing statements of the Document-




Machines have begun to take the place of humans on the battlefield. Some military and robotics experts have predicted that fully autonomous weapons could be developed within 20 to 30 years. Such weapons, also known as “killer robots,” would be able to select and engage targets without human intervention. Their use could undermine the protection of civilians in armed conflict

After describing the trend toward increased autonomy, this report argues that fully autonomous weapons would be incapable of meeting international humanitarian law standards, including the rules of distinction, proportionality, and military necessity. These robots would lack human qualities, such as the ability to relate to other humans and to apply human judgment, that are necessary to comply with the law

This report calls for an absolute ban on the development, production, and
use of fully autonomous weapons. While domestic measures can serve as
a starting point, states should adopt an international treaty prohibiting
the weapons before they show up in national arsenals.
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reply posted on 26-11-2012 @ 04:00 PM by zatara
Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to
post by SLAYER69



Do you think this the Tech of today? You think this is how far robots have come?

Or do you think the Technicians and Robots are further advanced? (We just aren't being alowed to see it yet??)

I really did rate the Terminator franchise highly but to think its nearly here on the streets is kinda trippy!!

Imagine if these things turn on us....

I am going to make it my duty to befriend as many robots as possible...


Exactly my thoughts....if "we the people" are allowed to see these advances on YT...

What is the status of this technology behind closed doors....(in those deep underground bunker labs with the brightest scientist of the world working on it...... and the biggest r&d budget ever conceived)?

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reply posted on 26-11-2012 @ 05:48 PM by voyger2
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amazing video... scary stuff also... in the last part when the "artificial" mechanism attacks the other mechanism to get the green cube...
hum...

maybe AI is already "hidden" silently in the www .... only trying to construct a way to get out of the www to a moving and stable mechanism...

follow the money...
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reply posted on 26-11-2012 @ 05:55 PM by jinni73
reply to post by SLAYER69



Computers have been introduced so humans acquiesce their minds to them,

Be careful


reply posted on 26-11-2012 @ 06:32 PM by SyntheticPerception
Fun post OP S&F!!

"Skunk Works" has some of the best material in my opinion.

Here is a thought I have been thinking lately, kinda mixes in with your post.

What if "WE" are the machines? I put that in quotes for a reason. Allow me to explain, it may take a moment

Most of you on ATS should be familiar with the concept of linear time being an "illusion".

Basically..

Linear time or what we think of "time" is the perception of something in our mind that relies on memories of our "past" and also a projection into a "future" event. Ultimately everything is happening right now. The "past" and the "future" only exist in our mind. You can also see this in a spiritual light ~ some would call this new perception the end of suffering, or "enlightenment".

Hopefully you have heard of these concepts to grasp the straw I will be reaching for in the following explanation.

This line of thought sometimes ties my mind into a knot.

Bare with me

Now for there to even be this "now" that some have felt (it can't be found in the mind/thought) or experienced, this "now" has to already have been established, or created.

That sentence doesn't make sense because the "words" we use to describe things are limited. For example our minds interpretation of the word now comes preloaded with the notion of a genesis, or a beginning point. This is why enlightenment is hard to achieve, we look for this "now" in our mind where it will never be found/felt.

Now if we can agree that everything is indeed happening now This opens up some interesting thoughts when looking at AI, or biological machines. for instance.

If everything that has happened or will ever happen is happening in this "now" moment, then humans have already created AI, or biological machines. What we call our awareness could possibly be artificial intelligence, and what we experience today is actually our (AI) past.

What "we" (as in) our "awareness" is experiencing is how "we" (AI) were created by humans.

The human brain could simply be a very powerful "computer", after death all our "memories" are uploaded to the main frame or source. The logical thing to do at that point (point of view of "source"), would be to divide yourself up into many different forms to have a first hand experience of your "our" ~ creation/creators.

You (as source) would need to forget you are in fact the creator and the source, that way the experience you have here feels real.

This would then make an excellent way for a more advanced species to "teach" their young. The lessons learned would be invaluable I imagine, and also could work on some level as "therapy" for this more advanced species.

You could in essence obtain millions of year of information in linear time, in what would be maybe 1 hour (or less) in your "time". Or you could "manipulate" the program to provide individual lessons (therapy), but the overall creation or the "ending" so to speak would always be the same.

Under this theory the "ending" would be when humans create the "big bang", that actually formed the entire universe in the "beginning". The end and the beginning would be one in the same. The alpha and the omega so to speak.

As for actually changing the "ending"

Maybe you could remember your true nature as "source" and begin creating while in this form. Perhaps creating something "new", or different than your previous creation.

I might make a thread sometime if I ever work these "thoughts" out in a more detailed and easier to understand explanation.

I know most of that will be hard to follow.

And remember this is a just a "thought", your post just brought it to mind.
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