Secret Subways and Clandestine Underground Transit

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posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by abeverage
Are there Subways people know little about? Yes military or government or test facilities are they top secret? I doubt it.

The man power needed for any one subway system is where your theory falls apart. Even military owned areas have leaks as AREA 51 can attest.

So how do you suggest they keep all the maintenance done?


Its simple....Soldiers. Enlisted men, and women. And, occasionally "contractors".

And, many of the bases are hidden in plain sight. Secret? Yes, some are.

Then, some are hidden, but not secret. So, the huge ones, the largest ones
that are just hidden but not secret are proof that this is far beyond concept, its reality.

To assume they dont exist due to the idea there are not enough people to maintain them
is silly.

Take for instance Muskö Naval Base in Sweden.


The underground base itself has an area of several km² and is connected by 20 km (12 mi)
of underground roads. A 3 km (1.9 mi) long, dangerously narrow road tunnel running some
70 metres (230 ft) under the sea level connects the mainland and Muskö island en.wikipedia.org...


Pictures here:
www.musko.nu...

And here:

photosweden.wordpress.com...




Yes but the whole from state to state or across the USA underground train? NO...




posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 11:28 PM
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State to State is easy, no problem especially in the East.
Eastern states are small...



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
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State to State is easy, no problem especially in the East.
Eastern states are small...


Not out in the west which what those maps show...



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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Absolutely there are secret subways, Moscow and Washington are famous for them. It's an open secret that London is riddled with bunkers left over from the war that are still used by Her Majesty's Government today too. There is also a big question about their existence in Pyongyang and Beijing.

As for New York City, I highly doubt it. It's impossible to keep something like that a secret in that city. There are literally thousands of homeless people in the city that move in and out of the tunnel systems, they would have found it. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is enormous, employs an army of workers and has volumes of maps regarding what is under NYC. Those maps are public and used extensively by urban explorers and historians to explore and document the system. There's just too much traffic under there for things to remain unknown. Even if there were secret tunnels, there would be an incredible number of rumors about them there, which there are not.

As for military subways in the western United States, it's highly unlikely that they exist to any great length. There could be subways between areas of certain large bases, that's possible, but the sheer size of the American west makes it a monumental undertaking. Think about how long it took to build the Chunnel or dig a new subway line in a major city, now multiply that by hundreds if not thousands of times. The manpower needed would be enough to employ the entire United States! On top of this, it has to be remembered that when you dig a hole that dirt has to go somewhere, entire mountains could be built out of a system that extensive, so where's the excavated material?



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by phroziac

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by gorgon8819
Care to share where you found this info, I am curious if maybe Chicago has one of these secret subway systems.


There is no public info available actually. So I just used Google to track down various hints that there may be secret subways. Im sure Chicago has some interesting underground too.
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I always wanted to sneak underground in chicago and explore, never was brave enough. The city has actually been raised several times, downtown is quite a few feet above ground, some areas even have multi level streets, they put the truck docks underground so you dont notice them and such. A couple years ago a car fell through a road about 20 feet...that was in the southside, where there isnt much underground....dont go to the southside to explore though, its a war zone


Chicago does actually have quite a bit hidden under it, but it's more abandoned than secret. There used to be a freight subway that ran under just about every street Downtown and was used to make deliveries to businesses. It ended up going belly up once coal furnaces stopped being used in every building, but in 1992 when they were working on the Kinzie Street Bridge they accidentally poked a hole in a tunnel under the river and the whole system flooded, along with every basement that had been connected to it. It was a complete mess!

Today the tunnels are still there, with big thick pressure doors by the river to keep it from happening again.

The question this really raises for me would be: since building secret tunnels is an expensive and long process, have any abandoned ones been taken over by other entities for secret projects? Here in London there are the old rumors that the MoD or MI5 still use abandoned tube stations, but I've never seen any proof beyond the tunnels they admit to having already.

Edit: here's the Wikipedia page on the old freight subway: Chicago Tunnel Company
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posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

The follwing image shows the secret Moscow Metro line. You see, in New York and London a secret subway line is only rumored, but in Moscow its fairly well established that there is a secret subway that the public cant access, even though the Government still hasnt admitted it.


Metro-2 in Moscow, Russia, is the informal name for a purported secret underground metro system which parallels the public Moscow Metro. The system was supposedly built, or at least started, during the time of Joseph Stalin and was codenamed D-6 by the KGB. It is supposedly still operated by the Presidential General Directorate of Special Programmes (ru) and Ministry of Defence.


Source


Fascinating reading as always mate -haven't had time to go through the entire thread but there's a relevant article below from the New Zealand Herald about how builders tearing down an enormous Moscow hotel next to the Kremlin 'believe they have stumbled across a network of secret Soviet tunnels beneath its foundations and perhaps a nuclear bunker capable of holding 4000 people' -it also goes on to mention how government agents were attempting to keep builders away from this area.



Moscow's secret tunnels found


Shalva Chigirinsky, the millionaire developer whose firm won the building contract, said mysterious agents - presumably from the Federal Security Service (FSB) - were keeping his workers away from part of the hotel site.

"Some people in plain clothes are not allowing us access to an area where there is a tunnel from the Kremlin," he told the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.


The authorities have not responded to his claim; indeed, the FSB has been known to call in Russian journalists for questioning, merely for speculating about what might be hidden beneath the streets of Moscow.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, however, there have been credible reports that subterranean Moscow is honeycombed with secret facilities whose construction began in the late 1940s, under Stalin.


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Cheers.



posted on Jan, 9 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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Nice one mate . ;-)

nice link , Thanks

snoopyuk



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 04:14 PM
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Hi I know you are really into this BS but lets show you what real a--holes disclose tv are go to 6:09 seconds on the video you will see a lone workman.

Here you are



This is what it is.

Flood Management Tokyo




As for the reporter putting words into the truck drivers mouths



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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Interesting.

If its all a bunch of BS, so be it. I have to stakes in this.

The purpose of the thread is to look where people normally dont. Thats where you often find good stuff. But sometimes you just find sewage.



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 04:46 PM
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this one comes to mind, www.imdb.com...



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by wmd_2008
 


Interesting.

If its all a bunch of BS, so be it. I have to stakes in this.

The purpose of the thread is to look where people normally dont. Thats where you often find good stuff. But sometimes you just find sewage.


Well you found plenty of that have a look at this post from another thread about this video.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Whats your thoughts now you have been caught out a few times on this thread !



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 03:55 AM
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Hey, just wanted to say thanks.


That is the movie I believe, I'll have to watch it to be sure.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:30 AM
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s& f for the reading alone i have worked on jobs that the public never knew even existed and had been long forgotten about one was a d.u.mb and the other a hotel that had 8 floors below the train station in edinburgh scotland when i was shown it by a employee it took my breath away and scared me at the same time he then told me the hotel across the bridge has a even bigger basement ? .

yes humans can burrow like worms when they want to and just look at mountains in south america that have had their tops cut off in pre history and no sign of cuttings remain anywhere
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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:41 AM
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If you read through the thread you will see most of what is shown has NOTHING to do with what is claimed what was the hotel in Edinburgh and across what river?

As there is NO river running through Edinburgh I smell the stench of BS!
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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:48 AM
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the balmoral and the scotsman hotels you are right i was thinking about the tunnel under the rotunda casino in glasgow that has a old tunnel closed off that used to have carriges go through it my bad



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:52 AM
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Well a few single examples in this thread and elsewhere are dead ends and "BS", the general idea that people with the means to do so, have built secret underground complexes and transportation is not "BS". Its just well concealed and not that easy to find hard evidence. So I`m left with a few scraps of data that could eventually lead to evidence.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 08:20 AM
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No it says across the bridge and there is defintely a bridge from George VI (i think) hotel which sits more or less on top of Edinburgh's main train station Waverly. The bridge is over the railway not a river.
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The Egyptians built many tunnels into pyramids as did others so there are a lot of very old tunnels out there.

Also during the Vietnam War the Vietcong lived in vast underground networks widely connected by tunnel.

Most old castles had/have escape tunnels - once built the builders were typically murdered (that's how you ensure no leaks -and don't think anything has changed)

Also if I was one of these elite and I wanted something done couldn't I just use some of the millions of people who 'disappear' as slave labour?

This is also a potential use for a lot of those off limits FEMA camps (probably not because I think that would leak) but if you are keeping slaves underground, to work for you, would make more sense to keep them there.

Actually this is the theme of many stories over the years in fact going right back to tunnels to the underworld in ancient times and these beliefs were pretty much worldwide - maybe before we advanced enough to be a danger to those who live below they used to be more open when they came up to snatch slaves to work for them. Then as we learned to forge weapons and fight in an organised way they had to become more clandestine lest we hunt them down.

Would explain a lot of the weird and wonderful over the years and yes I know I kind of changed track there from elites to underground beings (for want of a particular stereotype) but my mind just flowed there. The underground beings could be any variety of things - elite/atlanteans/starpeople/original people/chosen people/vampires/demons.

Anyway more on topic I think most of can agree there are secret bunkers and bases all over place mainly for the govt and top military but how many are in private hands we have no idea and I include corporations in that.

Again we know people smuggling is a massive worldwide problem so could not a large private corporation buy them in by the tunnel full to build whatever they want labour wise.

Specialists could be kidnapped to order and then a mangled body of a dead slave certified as them actually the more i think about this the more conceivable i find it.

Lastly remember if there is a minority of beings be they human elite or 'underground beings' then they seem to think differently to us in that they have little or no regard for the common person's life so have no compunction using us the way we have used animals for labour (often with no regard for the animal in question especially historically and differs across the world)

So yes they could build vast networks of tunnels globally especially if they started 1000's of years ago and just top up the work force as required while also maintaining genetic diversity.

Say one of these filthy ragged starving people does somehow elude security at the few surface exits and make it out (i would suggest extremely unlikely) what would happen - whoever the lucky escapee was would be locked up for their own safety as clearly insane - babbling about being held as a slave in an underground complex of potentially 1000's.

I am not saying I believe this to be true but I do find it (for now at least) a plausible theory with more work required to how there COULD be a large/vast/global underground network.

Actually is there any way to 'look' underground with a particular wavelength by satellite and if so I presume it could be shielded from said wavelength somehow, so even a global survey would not be definitive.

Ok time to get our picks out everyone





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