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Why on earth, should the universe owe me any answers about anything ? Why should there be an answer to the question WHY ? Only because we are men do we ask such things, and only because we are men do we believe in such absurd little tales. The universe IS. There doesn't have to be any answers because in reality, there are no questions. Questions are man made things. There doesn't HAVE to be an underlying reason for any of this. But we can't accept that, because we are so self important.
You can ask Bob why he killed Bill, and Bob may answer. Ask the lion why he killed Bill, and you won't get an answer. Seems simple to me.
Originally posted by Ismail
reply to post by Deetermined
Humans need to believe because they are very self-concious. They don't like the idea that their life has no transcending purpose, or that when they die, the universe does'nt give a ****. So, they invent little stories, that they manage to believe in so much, despite the lack of evidence of the existence of Yahvé or Boulbougou the Mud Spirit, that their brains make up these imaginary relationships with them. Because believing in the unbelievable is easier than accepting that your life is insignificant to the universe as a whole.
Originally posted by Ismail
The stories are always so simplistic. They always depict Yahvé or Boulbougou the Mud Spirit as normal guys, who get angry and sad, they have kids, and they make war, sometimes they act like dicks, sometimes they are nice guys. We created God in our image, because that's the only thing we could relate too.
Originally posted by Ismail
Deetermined, if you truly have asked questions, why not question the existence of your "relationship" with god ? Have you ever tried praying to Boulbougou the Mud Spirit to see if your "prayers" are "answered" the same way ?
Have you ever envisaged that it was all just a figment of your imagination ?
edit on 30-11-2012 by Ismail because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ismail
reply to post by ConspiracyNutjob
Right, and they inquisitived-up their christian faith all by themselves I'm sure...
If you had been born in the middle east, you and your kids would go to the mosque and believe in Allah, the God of the Qoran. You would defend him with the same faith and fervor, and you would nourrish the same "relationship" with Allah as you have today with your christian God.
Here is a childlike question for you. What color is the sky ?
You could even ask your kids this question. To further my point.
Why is that? Why weren't we as a human species created the same way as the animals?
God created us in his image so we could relate to him, you want it the other way around because you want to be in control.
I have never tried praying to any other God because the truth can be found through repentance, a turning away from sin. Coming out of the darkness and going into the light reveals the truth.
Then how do you explain that people from an arab culture become christians?
Originally posted by Ismail
reply to post by ConspiracyNutjob
Yeah, I'm fine, thanks !
An honest response as to why I'm responding this way ? Out of love of my species.
It bothers me that our potentiel as a species is held back by people's belief systems.
It bothers me that you think an invisible man will make everything right one day, because that clears us of our responsibility towards this planet.
It bothers me that some dedicated people have vowed their entire lives to advancing our rational understanding of the universe, and that people like you can just turn around and spit in their faces with your fairytale, all the while typing on a machine that was conceived thanks to the scientific method.
It bothers me that most religions teach philosophies that encourage people not to think.
It bothers me that most religions teach philosophies that instigate self-hatred, a persecution syndrome, circular thought patterns, and a contempt of "impure" mankind in general.
I deeply love my species, and my species has suffered for 4000 years at the hands of crazy people who, because they believed in the invisible man, slaughtered their human brothers, raped their human sisters, propagated genocide, infanticide and murder in the name of god. People are still doing it today. Had you or I been born in a pakistani tribal zone village, we would still be doing it in this day and age.
Why were/are these horrors made possible ? Because of the unquestionning mindset religion imposes on the believer. The same unquestionning mindset I'm staring at in each and every of your responses. That faith I'm reading, it is the same faith that animates the taliban, the crusader, the inquisitor, the mayan sun-priest, the mother who throws her firstborn through the flaming arms of Baal. It. Is. The. Same. Thing. Those people believed in god just as much as you do, they were just as certain as you that theirs was the true religion, they were just as convinced as you are of their gods existence, and they justified their deeds by quoting their books verses. I have had faith, despite what you may choose to think and I know what it feels like. It is the same thing.
I cannot even begin to explain how angry, but mostly how sad it makes me that in this day and age people are still indoctrinated into choosing ignorant blind belief over truth. It pains me physically, because I love my species so absolutely. We walked on the moon, and yet those silly stone age stories that are so full of holes still plague mankind, and continue to dictate so many peoples lives.
You know that christian thing about not hating the sinner, but hating the sin ? Same here. I don't hate the believer, but I hate the belief.
Is that honest enough ?edit on 1-12-2012 by Ismail because: (no reason given)edit on 1-12-2012 by Ismail because: (no reason given)
But we were. We are more complex that most animals. But we function exactly the same as any other social species. We teach our young how to survive, have a tendancy to protect the weak amongst us and we collaborate to ensure the survival of the species. Our collboration patterns are more elaborate, because we are more elaborate, but they are in no way different. No scientist today, unless one with a very biased agenda, would tell you any different. Please research this from unbiased sources before you say that you disagree. It's a very important point. We are not different or exceptional, and we are only just beginning to fathom how complex other species are. We have great difficulties understanding that which is not like us, is all. Again, please, do some serious research before saying something like that.
If you contemplate the situation with a logical brain, this is the conclusion you come to : man invented an idea called God because there was a lot sh*t he could'nt explain, and God is almost a human stereotype because men are thick and need to believe in something they can relate to.
If your god exists, and I'm 99,9999999% certain that he does not, then don't worry about me. I have lived a good life, I have devoted my time to loving and helping others around me, and on the rare occasions that I have created grief, I have asked forgiveness for it. If that is not good enough for your god , then you worship a a$$hole, and frankly, I don't want to spend all eternity bowing down to such a puerile jerk.
It bothers me that our potentiel as a species is held back by people's belief systems.
We have sent a robot to Mars. We have cures for diseases that God didn't do fu** all about. Don't you think things are a little more complex than you portray them to be ?
That, my friend, is why nothing changes in this world, it's because most people, they think like you, and therefore have no incentive to think that they can change anything. They spout out sentences that don't mean *anything*, about human nature and sin, which are two concepts that there is no proof for whatsoever, and because their mindset forbids them to think for themselves, they never question why people act the way they do. They accept that it's ineluctable sin, and never think past that.