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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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The title refers to an odd pattern which I noticed in the past, on ATS, when “predictions” had been made about specific days.

As long as the day itself was still comparatively distant, there would be excited speculations about what might happen, the case being argued for and against the prediction.
Yet when the day itself had arrived, there would be virtually nothing (apart from the occasional “so where is it, then?” from sceptics).
Those who were supposedly expecting some great event to happen would have gone strangely quiet.
You would think they would at least wait for the day to close before giving up on their expectation.
But no- they were hardly even waiting for the day to dawn (there would be little discussion the previous day either).
It seemed as though the cold reality of the day itself was enough to pour a bucket of cold water over the idea that it was going to bring anything special.
Hence “the day has arrived” syndrome.

Over the last few weeks, more than one poster starting a “2012” thread has observed that there didn’t appear to be much active discussion on the subject.
There were threads with titles like “Losing 2012 faith?”
I think I know what was happening.
I suspect that in this case the “day has arrived” syndrome, the “bucket of cold water” effect, had been triggered off by the arrival of the year 2012.
It would be very understandable. The expectation had been nicknamed after the year. Some people posting in 2011 were talking as though they were expecting to notice a difference right from the first of January.
If the expectation had been attached to the whole year, then the arrival of the year itself, and the discovery that the year did not feel very much different from other years, would be enough to provide the “dose of reality”.
Therefore people stopped talking about it.

In the last couple of days the discussion seems to have picked up again, relating to the specific day rather than the year,
It will be interesting to see if the pattern that I observed before repeats itself on the dawning of the twenty-first of December.
In that case, we could expect discussion of the subject by “2012” believers to dry up altogether on the previous evening, following the precedent of other days.

My own assumption, I should make it clear, is that “nothing will happen” when the day finally turns up.
Of course I’m using “nothing” in the more restricted sense recommended in my thread “Don’t say ‘nothing will happen”’;

You’re not talking about events caused by human agency. You’re talking about predicted events beyond human control, such as aliens revealing themselves, or a mass “ascension”, or the arrival of the planet Nibiru, or whatever is supposed to happen at the expiry of the “Timewave”.
What you mean is that you’re not expecting any of these predicted events
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In any case, as I was observing in that thread, the spectrum of expectation associated with “2012” is so varied and full of mutual contradiction that it cannot possibly be fulfilled in its entirety.
The fulfilment of one-tenth of it would rule out the rest.
So the only real question, I remarked at the end of the thread, was whether the “2012” expectation was going to be 100% wrong or only 90% wrong.
That was the thread’s punch-line.
I was expecting indignant reaction from “2012” believers, because I thought it was obvious enough that the joke was at their expense.
However, the sarcasm was evidently too subtle for its own good, and I was surprised at the number of “2012” sceptics who failed to spot that I was agreeing with them.
Anyone who wants to read that thread again, and see what I was getting at, can find it at this location;
Don't say "Nothing will happen"

While in the following location I described the expectations associated with”2012” and the expectations associated with the book Revelation as polar opposites, belonging to different and incompatible belief systems. One of them necessarily excludes the other;
Revelation versus "2012"; the great divide




posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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I haven't been active on the site long enough to comment on patterns surrounding supposedly critical dates. But when I first started visiting, I was interested in the way the Olympic false flag threads were going.

It seemed like hundreds of people were convinced aliens were going to invade or there would be a nuclear false flag attack or something..

And then when it didn't happen it was, "Congrats everyone, we prevented disaster."

People are interesting.


I'm starting to think the entire 2012 phenomena was a psyop to distinguish people by their psychological tendencies or something...

A good portion of this site might be found in the paranoid/gullible file...

Not to insult anyone, because I'm surely in an unflattering category too.

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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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reply to post by PatrickGarrow17
 

Thank you for that comment.
I'm more inclined to think that the whole thing demonstrates our abilities in combined self-deception.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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2012 would be one of endless examples of combined self deception...

What I wonder about is whether or not these are authentic mind fails or deliberate psychological attacks by a manipulative group..

And really, I am interested in prophecy and don't discount some of the stuff completely.

I think the date is highly overplayed, but the idea that we are in a transitional phase is pretty accurate...

As is the notion that we are sort of in a make or break period in history...if we can hold off major war and continue progressing for 10 or 20 years technology could dramatically increase our quality of life..

So, really these ideas do hold some water. The end of the world/new age debate. Not really far off the mark when you look at humanity's future and the impact that the early part of this century will have on the direction.


But centering that whole idea on one date sounds to me like self deception indeed.
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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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As far as I can gather about the origins of the movement, the "Timewave Zero" people were the ones who fixed on the date.
So presumably any manipulation, if deliberate, would have to be coming through that route.
Everybody else seems to have been jumping on the band-wagon.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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I need to learn more about timewave zero, but the date has also been pinpointed by the Mayan calendar at times, though others disagree on that.

It also seems to have been adopted by some Christian apocalyptics, seemingly for the convenience of having multiple prophecies coinciding.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Yes, the real key to the puzzle is how the Timewave Zero and "Mayan" calculations came to coincide.
Apparently one was adjusted to the other, though I don't remember which way round it was supposed to be.

I certainly hope that the Christian apocalyptic people using this date are in a minority.
A few months back, I tried to find symptoms of it on the internet and came up with nothing.
I think most Christians who believe in prophecies at all have got enough sense to realise that there just isn't enough time for them all to be fulfilled by the due date.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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in this case, the fact you made a thread about all the "new" threads confirms your own theory on itself.

impressive


it's soapbox season again, same thread over and over again.
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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Thank you- I think.
But my theory is predicting that believers will go quiet on December the twenty-first, so that's going to be the real test. I won't open out the champagne and nominate myself for the Nobel science prize until that happens.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI

I certainly hope that the Christian apocalyptic people using this date are in a minority.



That's new.
When did it become Christians who were touting the 12,21,12 date as meaning anything?
Christians know that the Revelation prophecies as well as others all denote events and not a date.
The bible states that no man will know the day.
Christians haven't been pushing this agenda from what I've seen.
I think they are more intent on figuring out who the antichrist will be.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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maybe so, but i predict and i'm looking forward to read from those who will swear something has indeed happened somehow someway.

it's human nature to adapt and distort situations as it better suits the individual, when the solstice comes and passes everyone will create their own excuse to proclaim

I TOLD YOU SO

post history will be rendered irrelevant due to a mass shift of consciousness and global awakening, or so they say.

remember that 21st december is the end of the world but it's just another date and prediction on an extensive schedule of doom porn, there's more to come!

stay tuned!
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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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I agree, but the poster I was replying to seemed to know of such groups.
A couple of months ago, I was posting on someone's thread and vigorously denying that Christians had anything to do with "2012". Then another poster triumphantly informed me that local pastors were pushing that date as relating to the return of Christ.

I agree that the date has nothing to do with Christianity, but it seems that not all Christians have escaped being infected by the enthusiasm.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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I think I can believe in that prediction.
Threads, perhaps, along the lines of "Yes, I've ascended, and it's great. You should have joined us".



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by UziLiberman
 

Thank you- I think.
But my theory is predicting that believers will go quiet on December the twenty-first, so that's going to be the real test. I won't open out the champagne and nominate myself for the Nobel science prize until that happens.



Remember the et-man "warning from the benevolents" thread? oh that went on for ever, and it got quite unpleasant towards the end, and after all that he'd preached, Chris (et-man) buggered off days before never to be seen again, i was the last person he spoke to.
My personal opinion on the dec 21st thing is that probably nothing big will happen and that this year has not more hugely eventful than previous years, however, Mr jesus christ did say that the end would come like a thief in the night, when it was unexpected, ( i think it was him anyway
And i dont expect it on 21/12/12. I dont think anyway should be certain/uncertain/skeptic/smug until that days passes.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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Yes, I remember ET-man- his date was 2011, wasn't it? Something about an invisible brown dwarf approaching, or maybe it was an elf.

One of my threads was on the "futility" of trying to calculate dates into Biblical prophecy, so of course I agree with you there.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Ron Hardeski of Bayonne, New Jersey also predicted the world would end on February 27th, 2004 – his wife’s 50th birthday. The world didn’t end, so Ron beat his wife to death with a Bible. He’s serving a life sentence.

Past predictions that failed to come true don’t have any bearing on the current calculation, believers maintain.

“It would be like telling the Wright brothers that every other attempt to fly has failed, so you shouldn’t even try,” said Chris McCann, who works with Bible Fellowship, one of the groups spreading the message.

Its crazy i was just surfing & read this & then came to my favorite ATS sight there was your thread.
Some time like this, it makes me wonder it im just in the matrix & ATS is just A Government profile engine.,lol

RALEIGH, N.C. – The Apocalypse didn’t happen in 2011 but Harold Camping has confirmed that it will happen – October 21, 2012.
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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Do you mean that Chris McCann is specfically nominating the 21st December date?
I would be very disappointed by that.
My own opinion, which I've been pushing in a number of threads, is that Christians should stay clear of the whole mess.
The "2012" expectation has nothing to do with Christianity.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by madenusa
Ron Hardeski of Bayonne, New Jersey also predicted the world would end on February 27th, 2004 – his wife’s 50th birthday. The world didn’t end, so Ron beat his wife to death with a Bible. He’s serving a life sentence.

Past predictions that failed to come true don’t have any bearing on the current calculation, believers maintain.

“It would be like telling the Wright brothers that every other attempt to fly has failed, so you shouldn’t even try,” said Chris McCann, who works with Bible Fellowship, one of the groups spreading the message.

Its crazy i was just surfing & read this & then came to my favorite ATS sight there was your thread.
Some time like this, it makes me wonder it im just in the matrix & ATS is just A Government profile engine.,lol

RALEIGH, N.C. – The Apocalypse didn’t happen in 2011 but Harold Camping has confirmed that it will happen – October 21, 2012.
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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Oh, I see. You're talking about the 2011 prediction.
However, i don't have any truck with any kind of "date calculation" concerning Biblical prophecies.
For which, see my thread on Revelation prophecy; the futility of date setting
I agree that the whole process is foolish.

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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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To me the more interesting meta gem is the fact that people both then and now seem to have this innate sense of an "end time" of some sort, almost like a group consciousness with expectations of major change. Everyone in our recorded history seems to have this penchant. Think of how all these cultures have some Epic of Gilgamesh type story, religion's obsession with "the end" and/or "the return" of some holy boss, etc. Why are we as a race so intent on the concept of cataclysm? Echoes of history past? Bi-product of hoping for something better to come? Something else entirely?





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