Have you noticed the backtracking from 'end of the world' to 'a new age' ?

reply to post by bknapple32


I think it just comes down to what people want to believe. Facts arnt really inportant when talking about doomsday prophecies and spiritual awakenings.
There are two camps hear, the baby boomers, who "went to Woodstock, took some acid and realized we are all just condensed energy suspended in the absence of matter"... and the fanatic type, "I read in a book that was written thousands of years ago then badly translated, and I manipulated it with a complex code to come up with a definite end date" type.
I know which one I prefer

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Have you noticed the backtracking from 'end of the world' to 'a new age' ?

Since nothing can be created nor destroyed, 'end' literally mean 'change'. And if the world changes, it will bring a new age, correct?

I fail to see where the backtracking is, unless you mean the part where people are correcting themselves and understanding the phrase for what it truly means.

This is what I'm talking about. END of the world means what it means. If it meant change, then change would be the word used. If a game ENDS, it doesn't change, it STOPS, it CEASES to be.

Yes, you have pin-pointed the source. Job well done. It's all relative, you know.

reply to post by davidmann


Well in my humble opinion the start and end are set. Solid. Undeniable. The journey is what is truly relative.Which in turn is probably why the journey is usually more fun than the destination.

reply to post by bknapple32


I don't know what you are saying, but I did always dismiss the 2012 stuff. As for beginning/end, being 'set', and all that jazz, idk. Sadly, vanity does prevail, and everyone wants the singularity during their little lifespan, or they'll feel cheated at death or something, seeing as they are the one to die, on that day, and not everyone along with them etc....unless, of course, of rapture or what have you. It's boring.

The present is just too real for most persons. Stuff like 2012 gives them something to look forward to. Like some new bath salt.

The media did its job - used it's pulpit to push the "fear meme". Fear herds. Fear pushes. Fear drives.

"Skin for skin!" Satan replied. "A man will give all that he has to save his own life." Job 2:4

Drove many of the fearful where? To the New Age movement which has always preached;
"ascension"
"spiritual awakening"
"global consciousness"
"spiritual evolution"
"the Christ consciousness"
"evolution of consciousness"
"the divinity within"
"dimensional uplift"

Satan doesn't change - he still motivates through fear of death. Millions upon millions of New Age converts found relief from their fear of impending catastrophe and death in its occult promises - that MAN'S next "evolution" is around the corner. That through gnosis (knowledge) his eyes would be opened and will become like god. The same 'spirits' that are responsible for it's dogma are the same 'spirits' who appeared as extraterrestrials to millions. It was these latter spirits that pushed the "end of the world" meme to its victims, showing them visions of impending global catastrophe. These stories have flooded popular media for decades, creating fear in millions. In fear of ones life, many looked for answers and found relief in religion - the New Age movement - never understanding that it was created by the serpent occult for this very day.

Everyday, hundreds of posts on ATS alone push the belief of spiritual ascension. It is Satan's promised salvation. He cannot resurrect the dead, the promise of Our Creator, so what else alleviates fear of death? Promises of immortality and consciousness that lives forever. Unfortunately, the New Age converts fully believe his 'gospel' message of a coming Aquarian/Golden age. It doesn't offer judgement like the Creator promises, it doesn't demand obedience and it doesn't recognise sin. It promises a "new man" that will evolve into godhood, denying Our Creator's words that those who perish are those that never learned to love the Truth, but rather are those who chose the love of unrighteousness that the  lie offered. Encapsulated within this New Age dogma is the clearly stated message of genocide - that those who insist on holding onto faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob must be removed from this world because they are a threat to the coming spiritual evolution. It's no wonder, because who else thoroughly held to this belief?

"Man is becoming god." - Adolph Hitler

OP, it's not backtracking. The fear of the end of the world plays directly into mankind's fear of death. "Skin for skin!" Satan replied. "A man will give all that he has TO SAVE HIS LIFE."

Jesus told us all of this. He commands us to not fear death and to hold onto the promises given by Him. Faith. Trust. Love. Without fear of death, the ability of Satan to herd is extinguished. His power to control is removed in those who look upwards to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in full faith as Jesus did as the deluded killed him. The crowd, unaware that their leaders were killing him out of envy because they themselves wanted earthly worship and rule, are no different then today. Made converts twice the children of hell, they inadvertently back the same world leaders who want the earthly worship of man and to "Rule the World".

What was, will be again. It is why Jesus stated that if the end had not been cut short, no flesh would have been saved. He knows the End from the Beginning and left His words for all of us. To this day, He is but a heartfelt prayer away and still desires that all come to Him, the only name given under Heaven, by which men must be saved. Man knows that he will be judged, but like so much of scripture shows, man wishes to define his own good and evil, wishes to create his own salvation and wishes to be his own god. The New Age movement, occult to the core, panders to these exact desires.

reply to post by bknapple32


yup - doom-porners the world over are back peddling like crazy

Originally posted by bknapple32
If you asked people back in 2006 or even 2008, most who believe in Dec 21, 2012 would have mostly said its the end of the world. But now lately that sentiment seems to have shifted to "it will be a new spiritual awakening'.

I can't really pinpoint when this change occurred but it has happened slowly. What I want to know is why? Is it because the date has been coming quickly and you don't want to promise such a big thing, so you back track a little? I mean, saying it is the end of the world is bold claim and hard to argue ambiguity. But to say a spiritual awakening... is kind of... a cop out. Because what is a spiritual awakening? I would argue such a thing is much different for everyone. An awakening for me could be worlds different than one for you. There's no way to argue whether or not 'it' happened. It allows for people to come here or talk to their friends and family on Dec 22nd and save some face.

Maybe I'm being too cynical on this. I'm not trying to be. But Look at it a different way. If I promise you ''3 things to say in a job interview, and if said, you will get the job''... But then as I'm driving you to the interview I say ''well it depends on HOW you say those things. I cant promise what the interviewer will do if you say them wrong'' That would be backtracking. I look at it as the same thing. The majority claimed end of the world. And now I see far more spiritual outcomes as predictions. A highly ambiguous difference.

Note- this isn't for people who said it was a spiritual awakening the whole time. I get there's exceptions to every rule, but you all cant be the exception.

edit on 25-11-2012 by bknapple32 because: (no reason given)

And on the 22nd of December 2012, those who claimed the world should have ended will be ridiculed from existence thus their worlds ended a day after their very prediction.

Its simple, the world "ends" every year, new years passes and everyone looks at the crazies and says "yep you sure are crazy", and the crazies go home, sit down, and decide when the next doomsday will be.
Maybe now, they've started feeling a bit silly? maybe they're beginning to learn? Or to use rational thought? Unlikely but still.

Originally posted by BlueMule
I think that over the next couple of weeks there will be many lame-ass fools with dumb avatars making threads just like this. I'm sick of it already.

What an immature, childish response.

Actually have anything of value to add?

OP, my view is composed to two parts added together.

Part one, we have people still operating mostly off Ego, and therefore are going with peer pressure and the flow of other wills. We start out doomsday, and then everyone starts singing a different tune and so they do too. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, because even if faking it, it is still good energy and thoughts being collectively applied.

Part two, is that over the years a sufficient mass of consciousnesses has made the "choice" that we are going to go through soon, and so we have chosen our route through time. A "timeline" of Ascension vs. one of total destruction and rebuilding from the ground up. The timeline that Edgar Cayce saw repeatedly, for instance. It appears that this second group has even influenced enough of the not-so-awake folks from part one too, so now it is snowballing toward awakening, ascension, and a golden new age.

Note, this is just how I feel, if nothing at all happens I've made my peace with that too.


PS. Our creators set this all in motion but it was our free will to decide to take this path. I'm glad I'll be around (probably) for the fireworks.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

The media did its job - used it's pulpit to push the "fear meme". Fear herds. Fear pushes. Fear drives.

"Skin for skin!" Satan replied. "A man will give all that he has to save his own life." Job 2:4

Drove many of the fearful where? To the New Age movement which has always preached;
"ascension"
"spiritual awakening"
"global consciousness"
"spiritual evolution"
"the Christ consciousness"
"evolution of consciousness"
"the divinity within"
"dimensional uplift"

Satan doesn't change - he still motivates through fear of death.

Bottom line is that we live in a hostile universe where life is a precious gift where life isn't the norm but rather DEATH is the final outcome of everything (entropy). Everywhere you look around you NATURE is out to get us. From solar flares, and asteroids in outer space to quakes, floods, drought and pandemics or even random accidents.

We all have a false sense of security living our daily lives in the normalcy bias and that can be taken away in an instant. Just look at NY/NJ in the aftermath of Sandy - the latest reminder of how deluded we all are. It took just hours for nature to destroy and weeks to get back to normal and some people are still waiting for normal to return. And that's not even a widespread disaster, it's a tiny area while the rest of the world is fine.

So instead of accepting that we're constantly under threat of extinction the masses prefer to be brainwashed - either by the new agers or the xtians. Both systems are enslavement because they preach some unreal invisible reality that science or the preachers can't prove. Sure there are those who build seed banks but they are regarded with suspicion by the masses because people hate to think of a global extinction event and instead would gladly blame the few people who want to save our DNA for whatever nature brings upon us.

Since most people regard science with suspicion because they can't understand it they will just go with whatever sounds better to them. Nevermind that science has given us all the modern day comforts from instant communication to refrigeration and transportation, they don't care as long as they can delude themselves that they are safe and there's a purpose in all the natural "bad" things happening around them as well as some form of continuity after brain death.

The sad part is that people are still posting serious drawings/schematics in the timewave zero thread, and will continue to do so. Of course none of them will ascend unless they deliberately put themselves out of our misery

De-Nile is definitely not just a river in Africa!

EDIT to add: don't take this as my unconditional endorsement of science. There are plenty of corrupt scientists who fight dirty to impose their ideas and get the most funding (see climate-gate). BUT science overall evolves and updates itself as opposed to the new-agers who push the same old tired ideas and the preachers who use a 2000 year old book written/edited and approved by wealthy men to justify their reason to hate whichever minority is convenient on that particular day (gays, arabs, women who have abortions, etc)

reply to post by DarkSecret

Bottom line is that we live in a hostile universe where life is a precious gift where life isn't the norm but rather DEATH is the final outcome of everything (entropy).

There is no final outcome, because nothing is ever truly destroyed. Things only change, they don't end completely.

We all have a false sense of security living our daily lives in the normalcy bias and that can be taken away in an instant. Just look at NY/NJ in the aftermath of Sandy - the latest reminder of how deluded we all are. It took just hours for nature to destroy and weeks to get back to normal and some people are still waiting for normal to return. And that's not even a widespread disaster, it's a tiny area while the rest of the world is fine.

No. We have a false sense of INSECURITY. THere is far more to be gained, by way of manipulation, through creating a sense of insecurity than a sense of security. People who are terrified and suspicious are much easier to control than people who are fully content.

Create a need, provide a solution, establish an authority. Use authority to establish a standard, and use that solution to bolster that standard. If people begin to stray, remind them of that need and continue to provide a solution. It's basic political coercion. You can see it all throughout history.

Since most people regard science with suspicion because they can't understand it they will just go with whatever sounds better to them. Nevermind that science has given us all the modern day comforts from instant communication to refrigeration and transportation, they don't care as long as they can delude themselves that they are safe and there's a purpose in all the natural "bad" things happening around them as well as some form of continuity after brain death.

If we were convinced of safety, would all this persecution, war, violence, greed, fear, etc be going on? Those are all the telltale signs of a society that doesn't know who to trust anymore. A society who is so insecure with its own abilities that it will play any trick to land on top.

Quite honestly, a 'new age' looks pretty good right now.

reply to post by bknapple32


To be fair to the 2012ers, I've never heard one claim (with any sincerity) that the world would end in 2012. I've only seen that as a Hollywood construct or a way to sell things. The "end of the world" scenario has always seemed be a slapstick way of talking about a looming unknown.

To me, December 21st, 2012 is simply Yule and that's awesome enough. It always brings about a "new age" every year so it would be fitting if it really was a new epoch in humanity. We are approaching one anyway, with or without the aid of the Mayan calendar.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by DarkSecret

 

Bottom line is that we live in a hostile universe where life is a precious gift where life isn't the norm but rather DEATH is the final outcome of everything (entropy).

There is no final outcome, because nothing is ever truly destroyed. Things only change, they don't end completely.

Oh please don't give me the new-agey interpretation of the principle of energy conservation. Of course you can't destroy energy and you can apply E=mc2 to everything. But for someone who is alive how is that helpful when they die? Sure your atoms were once created inside a super-nova and your atoms will still be around billions of years from now in rocks or other beings but how does that help YOU? And 120 trillion years from now when the universe is so cold and atoms are so far apart that no interactions are possible how will that make any distinguishable difference from DEATH? Entropy is just showing us where the arrow of time is pointing and even though everything will still be inside the universe it will be of no use to any kind of organized structure (aka life). So once again, the universe is a hostile place which tends to put everything to death, eventually.

Since most people regard science with suspicion because they can't understand it they will just go with whatever sounds better to them. Nevermind that science has given us all the modern day comforts from instant communication to refrigeration and transportation, they don't care as long as they can delude themselves that they are safe and there's a purpose in all the natural "bad" things happening around them as well as some form of continuity after brain death.

If we were convinced of safety, would all this persecution, war, violence, greed, fear, etc be going on? Those are all the telltale signs of a society that doesn't know who to trust anymore. A society who is so insecure with its own abilities that it will play any trick to land on top.

Quite honestly, a 'new age' looks pretty good right now.

War and violence are just other means of mind control. Hate a minority, de-humanize them and then destroy them. Do that until all your political enemies are gone. I don't see how that's got anything to do with 2012. We all have a false sense of security and we hope that any insecurities are being addressed by the state through police, fire fighters, EMS and military. It doesn't change the fact that most people still feel secure in their homes until a NATURAL disaster hits and reminds them and us all how futile all the politics is because one asteroid could wipe us all out and nobody will ever know that we existed as a species. So once again, the universe is a hostile place which tends to put everything to death, eventually.

Until we drop all brainwashing and accept the cold reality of the hostile universe around us and how small & insignificant we are as a species (without any religious undertones) we will never be truly free.

reply to post by DarkSecret

Oh please don't give me the new-agey interpretation of the principle of energy conservation. Of course you can't destroy energy and you can apply E=mc2 to everything. But for someone who is alive how is that helpful when they die?

Spoken like a true materialist. Of course you only care about stuff you can touch with your physical hands. That's all that matters, right?

By the way, it's isn't "new agey". Ever heard of Newton? Maybe you should pick up a book on him, you might learn something instead of plugging your ears simply because you don't understand a subject.

Who says death is the end? Who says it isn't a change? People that come back from their death experiences don't say that they were stuck floating in nothingness. In fact, they were still able to perceive after death. And you act like it's the end! No, friend, it's the next great adventure!

Sure your atoms were once created inside a super-nova and your atoms will still be around billions of years from now in rocks or other beings but how does that help YOU?

It's not about me. And it isn't all about you either. You reek of self-conceit.

And 120 trillion years from now when the universe is so cold and atoms are so far apart that no interactions are possible how will that make any distinguishable difference from DEATH?

You have proof that this will happen? So far, you've done a very poor job of building any kind of case.

Entropy is just showing us where the arrow of time is pointing and even though everything will still be inside the universe it will be of no use to any kind of organized structure (aka life). So once again, the universe is a hostile place which tends to put everything to death, eventually.

And you, as a lowly human being with less than a handful of degrees in any relevant field and dead within a hundred years, would OBVIOUSLY know everything there is to know about the nature of entropy.

Get off your high horse.

War and violence are just other means of mind control. Hate a minority, de-humanize them and then destroy them. Do that until all your political enemies are gone. I don't see how that's got anything to do with 2012. We all have a false sense of security and we hope that any insecurities are being addressed by the state through police, fire fighters, EMS and military. It doesn't change the fact that most people still feel secure in their homes until a NATURAL disaster hits and reminds them and us all how futile all the politics is because one asteroid could wipe us all out and nobody will ever know that we existed as a species. So once again, the universe is a hostile place which tends to put everything to death, eventually.

Again, you don't understand the universe. The nature of the universe is MOTION. Anything involving motion must eventually change to accommodate the the flow of energy. Change means that things don't stay the same - they may dissolve, they may melt, they may burn, they may crumble to dust and be blown away by the wind. But you know what? The atoms remain, and they become part of something else. They feed something else, breaking down into energy that is used to fuel the processes going on in other parts of the world. It's all a cycle, and if you weren't so focused on what you stand to lose, you would be amazed at everything your energy will become a part of in the distant future.

Until we drop all brainwashing and accept the cold reality of the hostile universe around us and how small & insignificant we are as a species (without any religious undertones) we will never be truly free.

And I thought I was cynical... This is the path we have chosen for ourselves. Just because we are not greater, doesn't mean we cannot be. It just means we're chasing balls of string instead of watching the world.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by DarkSecret
Spoken like a true materialist. Of course you only care about stuff you can touch with your physical hands. That's all that matters, right?

By the way, it's isn't "new agey". Ever heard of Newton? Maybe you should pick up a book on him, you might learn something instead of plugging your ears simply because you don't understand a subject.

Who says death is the end? Who says it isn't a change? People that come back from their death experiences don't say that they were stuck floating in nothingness. In fact, they were still able to perceive after death. And you act like it's the end! No, friend, it's the next great adventure!

Actually I had such an NDE experience and I floated up and watched them reanimate me. But at the same time i was still outside when i started breathing and talking to them. It took a few seconds to be back inside behind my eyes. So my conclusion is that we make it all up, it's just like the brain takes a snapshot of the surroundings and then builds a dream around it based on the perceptions that are still alive for a few seconds or minutes before true brain death.

And 120 trillion years from now when the universe is so cold and atoms are so far apart that no interactions are possible how will that make any distinguishable difference from DEATH?


You have proof that this will happen? So far, you've done a very poor job of building any kind of case.

I'm sorry did you just ask me to prove the big bang theory to you? There are libraries full of science books and tons of science channel documentaries about it based on those books.

Entropy is just showing us where the arrow of time is pointing and even though everything will still be inside the universe it will be of no use to any kind of organized structure (aka life). So once again, the universe is a hostile place which tends to put everything to death, eventually.


And you, as a lowly human being with less than a handful of degrees in any relevant field and dead within a hundred years, would OBVIOUSLY know everything there is to know about the nature of entropy.

Get off your high horse.

Again, entropy is a scientific fact, just like the big bang.

Again, you don't understand the universe. The nature of the universe is MOTION. Anything involving motion must eventually change to accommodate the the flow of energy. Change means that things don't stay the same - they may dissolve, they may melt, they may burn, they may crumble to dust and be blown away by the wind. But you know what? The atoms remain, and they become part of something else. They feed something else, breaking down into energy that is used to fuel the processes going on in other parts of the world. It's all a cycle, and if you weren't so focused on what you stand to lose, you would be amazed at everything your energy will become a part of in the distant future.

Yes it's a cycle but that cycle WILL end due to entropy. The universe's expansion is speeding up and eventually atoms will be too far to interact thus the cycle ends so there will only be a dead dark cold universe.

reply to post by stanislav


your reply is illogical and makes no sense, my point still stands, you know no better than anybody else! doesnt matter if you talked with a bunch of old people and used to be a new ager in your mid twenties or whatever. its like a blind man saying he heard another blind man saying he saw something, its pointless! 30 something? still a childs age if you ask me, enough with your nonsense your not making any sense in what you say!

reply to post by DarkSecret

Actually I had such an NDE experience and I floated up and watched them reanimate me. But at the same time i was still outside when i started breathing and talking to them. It took a few seconds to be back inside behind my eyes. So my conclusion is that we make it all up, it's just like the brain takes a snapshot of the surroundings and then builds a dream around it based on the perceptions that are still alive for a few seconds or minutes before true brain death.

That doesn't make you an expert by any means. And that certainly doesn't make everyone else delusional. For all we know, you're still trying to convince yourself because you're afraid of not having any answers.

I'm sorry did you just ask me to prove the big bang theory to you? There are libraries full of science books and tons of science channel documentaries about it based on those books.

It's called a 'theory'. Which means there's still gaping holes in it. I'm not satisfied with the Big Bang theory OR Creationism. In fact, the best thing to come out of that theory was a television show. I love that show!

Yes it's a cycle but that cycle with end due to entropy. The universe's expansion is speeding up and eventually atoms will be too far to interact thus the cycle ends so there will only be a dead dark cold universe.

Cool story. Next time, try backing up your bullcrap with some evidence. I might consider you a reliable source. Because as it stands, I can't take you seriously.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
That doesn't make you an expert by any means. And that certainly doesn't make everyone else delusional. For all we know, you're still trying to convince yourself because you're afraid of not having any answers.


It's called a 'theory'. Which means there's still gaping holes in it. I'm not satisfied with the Big Bang theory OR Creationism. In fact, the best thing to come out of that theory was a television show. I love that show!


Cool story. Next time, try backing up your bullcrap with some evidence. I might consider you a reliable source. Because as it stands, I can't take you seriously.

Well you win. The US educational system is indeed a brilliant piece of work if people nowadays still doubt the big bang, entropy and science in general.

I bet you're not using any science derived products, after all they don't exist according to your science denying logic. TVs, computers,cars, microwaves, electricity are all just based on science and according to you scientific evidence doesn't satisfy you. You're probably using your mind (as opposed to an electricity driven internet connected computer) to interact directly with the internet and post your anti-science opinions on this website.

I guess 2012 IS happening after all. It's a pure reflection of our nation's ignorance and disdain for science or those who advocate basic science taught in schools. The beginning of the end for our once great nation. Might as well start learning Chinese because we'll need it when their scientific research in weaponry will take over our magic/faith based educational approach...

Originally posted by MamaJ
I always thought it was a change from the Pisces age to the Aquarius age. I never thought it was supposed to be the end of the world. You take something and tell one person.... remember this game.... then you tell another and by the time it reaches many people it has completely changed.

This is what I have experienced. All of the sudden the Maya's Golden Age of purification is now the "end of the world".

So yeah.... I see it backwards.

Nope its not that
The astrological age is found by seeing which zodiacal constellation the sun raises in on the spring equinox and at this time the sun rises in the constellation of Pisces and will for another 700 years
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