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Originally posted by bknapple32
Originally posted by Scouser640
Originally posted by bknapple32
Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by bknapple32
The cell phone thing was just an example..
Anyway, I will say this. I am one of those people that believes that civilization has advanced before and something significant happened and had to start over.
Then people will ask, well what happened to all of the buildings etc? If youve seen that show, "life after people" or something like that, youll see that after only about 1000 years, the only structures left, are the ones made out of solid stone, everything else returns to the earth.
I can personally attest (been on actual digs)that there are remnants of mogollon (mimbres, NM) pit houses and they were basic as basic gets. And if we can find those, then what we have produced would be able to be found thousands of years after the end. IF a civilization was at the level we were at in the past, there would be evidence in the archaeological record, its that simple. And there isn't.
No. The archaeological record isn't complete. And different environments preserve better than others. People throughout history tend to live near water, if the water level increases it would destroy and/or hide a lot of artifacts. Then there is the idea of hidden archaeology. Things found that don't fit with mainstream archaeology and the Ex Luxe Orienta idea still cherished by so many. Remember absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. And I agree with AfterInfinity and the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.
I never said the archeological record was complete. But there has never been one single discovery even HINTING at the notion of some kind of civilization as advanced as we are today. YOu can make all the wild claims you want, and its easy to say well ' no ones found it, so you cant prove it wrong'. At some point one needs to rely on facts and data. And so far there is zero.
Look, I would love it if a discovery like that could be made, It would change the planet, and I promise you the inner child of every archeologist would love to be the one to find such a thing. But this isnt like finding a new species that others claimed to not exist. We're talking about, in your words, a civilization as advanced as us. That means the use of plastics.. microchips, steel, iron, there would be something left. And it would have been big enough, and it would have been massive enough to have been found. A civilization like that wouldn't have been some small nook of the globe. If this existed in the past, then they would have had agriculture, which means ,they would have had a large population. Large enough for more evidence in the record. Yet.... nothing. I wonder why.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
Originally posted by scooter3200
First of all, the archaeological record is not only incomplete, I believe it to only reflect what the ruling class want everyone else to know . the scientific community covers up any profound truths that would change the perception we already have. It took the elite much work to create and maintain the worldview we all have, yes it is of their design. Now I don't care how long you been into archeology, how good you are at it, or whether you believe that you should know exactly how the scientific community runs things. you where educated and molded by a system that is false at best. If there "IS" or "WAS" ever any physical evidence that would suggest that there was advanced technology or anything useful, and quite different than what we think we know, anything that refutes the current claims of the scientific community will never be made public. you will never hear of it. Now some stories have leaked, but those are and have been for the most part been squashed, covered up and forgotten. If one was interested in looking to see if this was really how they do things, one could easily find proof in the way of examples how many scientists have lost their careers and been destroyed for trying to display any physical evidence or theory that goes against the mandate of the scientific community.
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Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
I also wondered about this. For some reason I decided to see what the numerology of 12/21/12 could be broken down into.
1+2=3 2+1=3 1+2=3
More of a stretch here:
To me 9 first represented simply "the end". But one could argue it also means "the end of the cycle" which goes hand-in-hand with the Mayan Prophecies. At first I believed the "mystery schools" aka "new age movement" used this to create fear, but now are utilizing it so some people think we are entering into some kind of golden age.
Originally posted by thektotheg
reply to post by bknapple32
That's not true at all. As long as I've studied such things, there has been a strong corner of the argument claiming it was simply the "end of the world as we know it." That we were evolving or transcending to a new dimensional consciousness. This is not a new idea, nor is it anymore prevalent now. More people have joined the debate, is all.
Originally posted by SimonPeter
Why would people get this end of the world idea ? Lets see , global warming , the oceans polluted and fish being depleted ,ozone layer being depleted , Fukushima fuel rod pool collapsing and could extinguish life on earth , economic system failing ,oil running out ,Agenda 21 population reduction . Then there is the fact that large seed banks are being built in case of an extinction catastrophe , Many deep underground bunkers being built by the Elite . Do they know something ? There is Yellowstone , increased seismic activity and then the Nibiru Planet X debacle to cause more worry . Then the bible . The world will not end for at least 1007 years per the Bible . The Mayan thing is quite extraordinary along with all of the unanswered questions brought to mind by the presentation called Ancient Aliens . People do not feel secure with their Government , National Treasuries and their interaction with the Global Government and Global Banking .
Then there is that very large astroid belt that orbits the Sun .A medium sized fast Asteroid could make us like that . Our moon could be easily destroyed and earth would die .
Originally posted by honested3
reply to post by stanislav
a know it all huh? telling people how they should live their lives? heres an idea, the modern mayans know no more than we do about "2012" all the records from that age were destroyed. people just assume they know it because they have handed down traditions and etc. news flash know it all, theres alot of tourism over there and they promote the nonsense anyways, their guess is as good as ours. reading your last few posts, all you do is shoot down people, you have no proof of anything, if your so convinced why even bother convincing us? your just a blind man telling other blind man what they are seeing, surely you see the futility in it? if you havent noticed this is a "have you noticed" thread, not a "lets listen to the young boy know it all who has so much life experience and secret knowledge nobody else has". get over yourself.