TriHealth fires 150 employees for not getting flu shots

reply to post by VaterOrlaag


VaterOrlaag

You have NO proof that cigarette smoking CAUSES anything. The only evidence that cigarette smoking CAUSES any disease is epidimiology. Epidimiology is the soft science of observation. It provides evidence of CORRELATION but NEVER CAUSATION.

I on the other hand, have plenty of proof that cigarette smoking has health benefits.

But even if I didn't have such proof. Who the hell do you think you are to tell anyone what they can or can't do.

Do you remember "reefer madness" back in the 60's? Do you remember how marijuana how the government told us that this drug turned people into homocidal maniacs? Do you remember the lies upon lies that were told to convince the public that marijuana must be prohibited.

Now 50 years on - what do they say about marijuana?

But in those 50 years, - how many public dollars were spent and how many lives were ruined by serving jail time?
And when all this damage is assessed, what were the benefits of prohibition?

It is people like you that I reserve my greatest hatred for. People who are so small in themselves that they feel that they must, at any and all costs, control others. People who get a little jolt of tingly electricity running up their spines to see their will against others made manifest by law.

People who lie, spread lies, seek to restrain and control others because quite simply, their own lives are empty and without meaning. Control Freaks!

People who would deprive others of the means to make a living, places to live, places to congregate and socialize with others of like mind. People who would deprive others of needed medical treatment. Anything and everything merely for the sake of imposing their will on others.

You are the people that Hitler used to call the "willing idiots".

You would see others punished for what you deem to be a "sin" or even just a "poor choice" to the point even unto death.

Well, forgive me for saying this Sir - but your turn is also coming!

Tired of Control Freaks

reply to post by stevcolx

Basically this company is using Fascist techniques to poison it's workforce

Bit counter intuitive don't you think?

What benefit is there for a company to poison it's workforce?

reply to post by Chadwickus


Chadwicus

Is it possible that the hospital or the health care system is getting a payback from the pharmaceutical companies because they buy so much of the vaccine?

Isn't that what the WHO did with their flu scare and the massive vaccination program that was implemented just a few years ago. Where the people recommending the vaccines were also pharmaceutical representatives.

Just to refresh your memory. I know that 2009 was a long time ago

www.globalresearch.ca...

Tired of Control Freaks

Hey it's their company, they can do whatever they want.

I guess they could have just cut their hours to under 30 and said they were doing it because of Obamacare, some of you would have been just fine with that.

Free country...their company...period.

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


That doesn't explain why they'd want to poison the employees.

There may very well be ulterior motives here but poisoning the workforce isn't one of them.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I am not saying that poisoning their employees is their motive. That may or may not be a side effect (nice to get rid of those older employees who are paid more and more likely to need health care anyway)

What is being said in this thread and the current topic of discussion is:

To what degree do employers have the right to interfere or impose their will on their employees?

Tired of Control Freaks

reply to post by VaterOrlaag


Society, via common sense and conscience, used to do the heavy lifting for the populace. Be around people bothered by smoke--a polite, cognizant smoker would either refrain or smoke elsewhere. Now, what people used to "think"'to do--is now by Big Brother's (or Big Sis's) EDICT by rule of law.

That you, becuse of nothing more than YOUR OWN MINDSET want to control the habits and choices of millions; and put tens of thousands of tobacco industry workers out of work speaks volumes. Now substitute coal; coal fired electric production station; soft drink industry; shortening; sugar; or salt industries for tobacco and welcome to ObamaLand...where the HHS secretary will "deem" the treatment of your every sniffle. Or not.

The Founding Fathers weep; Axelrod, Jarrett...high five.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
My hospital requires a flu shot to work as well. You can fill out a refusal form (some people are allergic) and you have to wear a mask during the flu season.

My GF also just stated the same thing.. and she works for an IT consulting firm to Hospitals and clinics

reply to post by xuenchen
does it really shock anyone that corporations are NOW going to start showing the "Obama influence" this is all part of the new world order and the simplest and most discreet way for the Socialist Regime to get those lovely microchips imbedded in to the populace without a grand scale riot......I mean gee whiz....most of the "sheeple" are that dim that they dont even realize that THEY cant fire you for not getting a shot......but they freak in this economy because when it "happens"...then Big Brother/corporation/employer lays that card out..."Employees who were terminated can appeal to be reinstated after receiving the shot."....they go get the damn shot, and viola another bunch "chipped"

reply to post by VaterOrlaag

Ha ha ha ha ha ....why would the government allow something like bankrupting one of the largest scams they have going?....that would be like Mrs.O wanting to bankrupt McDonalds because of obesity....live in the NOW....open your eyes and look beyond the "smoke and mirrors" and pay attention to the man behind the curtain, who is the GREAT OMNIPOTENT OZ...

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks

VaterOrlaag

You have NO proof that cigarette smoking CAUSES anything. The only evidence that cigarette smoking CAUSES any disease is epidimiology. Epidimiology is the soft science of observation. It provides evidence of CORRELATION but NEVER CAUSATION.

I on the other hand, have plenty of proof that cigarette smoking has health benefits.

But even if I didn't have such proof. Who the hell do you think you are to tell anyone what they can or can't do.

Personally, I don't care if you smoke or not.

But ..... I don't want to breathe your second-hand smoke and I don't want tax money to subsidize your medical costs. So, how about loading up on medical insurance or not showing up at the hospital when your body breaks down from abuse?

reply to post by jcarpenter


jcarenter

I would be very very happy not to use health care and to be able to negotiate my own health care (just me and the doctor/hospital - not health insurance involved)

Of course - I am sure that you will be happy to account for all the health care dollars I have put into the system since universal health began, subtract the cost of anything I have used and give me any refund?

Further, since you don't want to pay for my health care, I am confident that you wouldn't want me to pay for yours. So no more health contributions from me and of course, I want to not pay tobacco taxes either since those are supposed to be used for health care.

So for me - living in Canada - this would mean that I would have about $16,000 / year to pay for my own health care.

And of course, since I am a smoker and expected to die younger, I would also expect a reduction in my contributions to Canada Pension Plan.

Tired of Control Freaks

reply to post by jcarpenter


Oh and as for not wanting to breathe my second hand smoke - sure, no problem

But - to be fair - I also don't want to breathe your car exhaust, bbq smoke, fireplace smoke of any kind, perfumes, scented products and cooking odours, candle smoke etc etc.

If I am a vegetarian, why should I have to smell your noxious and nauseating odours created when you grill meat?

Seems fair to me! How about you?

Tired of Control Freaks

If I worked there and was fired I would sue them. I have documented proof that the flu shots make me extremely ill. The proof comes from a long time ago but even Mayo Clinic states that if you have had a severe reaction in the past than you should not get one. I wouldn't try to get my job back working for TriHealth, that would be foolish, they would just look for a reason to fire you in the future. Everyone makes a mistake, there are no exceptions to this rule, so it is only a matter of time.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


I assume you work in a clinic or doctor's office.
Does new patient mean someone who has never been there before? Or any patient who has not been seen in a year or so.

That seems pretty severe either way....and awfully invasive......as I won't allow them to even scan my driver's license....

Just to preface this, I was part of my military's flu shot team that for a couple seasons down in Norfolk that vaccinated for flu in the Norfolk military areas. It was quite a enlightening experience being behind the scenes and learning about vaccinations. I have personally given well over 10000 shots during that time counting civilians and military.

I believe in the flu shots but there are some myths around it that I did believe before I did some studies.

First off, you need ti understand that not even gets a shot, most people get what they call a flu mist. Its a very weak, almost dead infection so to speak. Your body's white cells have a genetic memory for all infections in which as soon as white blood cells detect an infection it morphs into the perfect fighting machine for that particular strain. The flu vaccines are typically made up from the top 3 or 4 strains for the year before. Will that guarantee vaccination? No, but it goes a long way since flu viruses mutate so much.

Second, people believe that if they get the mist or shot that they will most certainly get sick. That is also untrue. As I said, the flu mist vaccines are still live strains and since I have shot those up people's noses so damn much, you would have thought handling and coming in contact with it so much that I would have gotten sick that myself. So either the strains aren't that strong to get the recipient sick or that the vaccination that I got works damn well. Now, you can get a sinus reaction to the flu mist but that it comes in the form of irritation rather actual sickness.

Third, mercury is in every shot. Mercury, back in the day, was used as a vaccine preservative. It is used today in some vaccines but not in flu shots. You would see that in major outbreak diseases such as anthrax and such. Stuff that cannot be made up quickly will usually have mercury to preserve the vaccines. Flu vaccines are thrown out after the year because they will just start making more for next year using the popular strains from the last flu season.

There very few reasons why people do not get vaccinated due to allergies to eggs, immuno-deficiency disorders, and few other disorders. Most people between 10-55 will get the mists, outside that age group will get the dead strain shots or if they are pregnant.

Also, people bitch that the flu shots hurt. I have given shots through needle and air-injection devices. If you have the right person, they shot not hurt. I have found the reason that shots and air injections hurt is usually because the person administering the shot did not wipe off the alcohol on the skin which then causes the alcohol to be injected into the injection site causing a bit of pain. I have also seen people who are very obese have problem with the air injection sites but there is not much can be done for that.

Also, try not to use hand-sanitizer as much. Use soap and water if you really want to get your hands clean, friction from rubbing your hands together is sufficient to get almost all germs off your hands. Hand sanitizers kill 99.9% of germs, but what they don't tell is that .01% that is left is now stronger which is why were are having problems with the super-bugs.

There is more information to share but its bit much to put it all down so just ask if you have any questions.

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
You have NO proof that cigarette smoking CAUSES anything.

Did I wake up in the same universe this morning???

It's ok discarding your weakness and saying "it ain't that bad" if it makes you feel better as a smoker but saying cigarette smoking doesn't cause anything is embracing a fairy tale ignorance.

Edit : please don't respond, I've read your other posts and you are deprived of the level of intelligence you would need to have an sane argument in the first place.

My gf was pretty much forced to take the shot at the hospital, I would of still said no. She's been feeling weak for days now and I also felt the same symptoms 2-3 days after her's started. I'm ok now but I had this weird dizziness for 2 days.

I may be on the wrong path but I believe that flu shots will only make viruses stronger faster than normal evolution and that a common colds will become deadlier.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by stevcolx

 

We have to get it, and we have to give the flu shot to all new patients immediately during flu season. I agree with your sentiment the flu shot does not work very well.

That is your view to whcih you are entitled.

However, when it comes to healthcare professionals who are dealing with sick and vulnerable people, any action they can reasonably take which reduces the risk to patients is valid and acceptable in my opinion.

The flu vaccine covers the most likely strains to affect people during the season so it won't rule out people catching flu but it is a damned sight better than no protection.

I'm probably not going to read the rest of this thread as i fear it will descend into loony conspiracy theorist gibberish!

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


I do have proof that smoking causes cancer.

My uncle, a smoker for many years, died from lung cancer.

Now move along, useless troll.