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Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by buddhasystem
It certainly explains how people can say that 80 - 90 % of medical "studies" are absolutely meaningless and we should pay absolutely no attention to them whatsoever.
www.livescience.com...
Tired of Control Freaks
Fraud and errors do not necessarily invalidate the process itself
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
It certainly explains how people can say that 80 - 90 % of medical "studies" are absolutely meaningless and we should pay absolutely no attention to them whatsoever.
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by NavyDoc
Some say 30 %, some say 70 %, some say 80 %
Here are some links - do your own googling!
When medical studies are found to be 30 % outright FRAUDULANT and another percentage are found to be BIASED....how can you trust ANY of them?
What is the magic number for you NavyDoc? The percentage that will convince you that medical research is unreliable...is it 1/4, 1/3, 1/5...what?
I have tried to show you have to do at least a preliminary screen where bias and fraud can be spotted. The first study showing that there was 5/100 less patient deaths when HCW were vaccinated there. Except they never examined the age of the patients (risk of dying of flu rises to 5 % when the patient is over 80 but is about 1.5 percent when the patient is 70), they assigned a nurse to determine if the patient had the flu but failed to do anything to confirm, if in fact the patient had the flu at all
Yet in your mind - with no thought whatsoever - you decided it was a good study???
The Potter study failed to reach a difference in relative risk that was CLINICALLY significant (the point at which people should sit up and take notice) or just statistically significant (a blip in the sample, a fault of the mathematics perhaps).
Different people say different things about the magnitude of the fraud but the fact is - nobody can deny its happening. (except you).
healthfreedoms.org...
www.energeticforum.com...
www.skepdic.com...
ourhealthcaresucks.com...
www.overcomingbias.com...
Tired of Control Freaks
Results Medline retractions have increased sharply since 1980 and currently represent 0.02% of included articles.
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by NavyDoc
Navydoc
Retractions are only imposed on those scientists who got CAUGHT!
Look - I don't know what the number of cheats, frauds, liars and bias studies. I dont think anyone does. But just because "someone did a study" is no reason to park your brain on a bench!
Tired of Control Freaks
Retractions were issued by authors (63%), editors (21%), journals (6%), publishers (2%) and institutions (1%). Reasons for retraction included honest error or non-replicable findings (40%), research misconduct (28%), redundant publication (17%) and unstated/unclear (5%).
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by NavyDoc
Someone who claims that a treatment reduced deaths by 5/100 but fails to confirm whether or not anybody had the flu is hardly unbiased "science"
Another study that fails to meet standards for clinical significance
I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. I am talking about statistics and mathematics and what proper mathematical methodoly is.
Tired of Control Freaks
Nothing could be more antithetical to the very idea of individual freedom than to have governments telling us that we must put some substance in our bodies. Without ownership of our body and the attendant right to refuse this or that medicine as we see fit, we are nothing more than slaves of the state. This is a principle that has been long understood. But the reasons against mandating medical treatments rest on practicalities as much as ideal. The plain fact is that even if we can trust that governments only ever work in the interest of the people and not the medical-industrial lobby that pumps billions of dollars a year into Washington, D.C., they are still prone to error and thus their medical judgements should never be mandated on the public.
Now the fight against government-mandated vaccines is coming to a head in California, where a newly-introduced bill, AB 2109, would force parents to go to their doctor to get a personal belief exemption to prevent their children from being vaccinated.
Originally posted by Pilot
reply to post by buddhasystem
Because you don't see it in the foreseeable future?? Ok. I guess you didn't read the link. Never mind.
Now the fight against government-mandated vaccines is coming to a head in California, where a newly-introduced bill, AB 2109, would force parents to go to their doctor to get a personal belief exemption to prevent their children from being vaccinated.
I'm trying to return to the topic of the thread, dude.
Originally posted by InTheLight
Back to the topic of having the freedom to reject a flu shot, I say it should not be mandatory.
Originally posted by Tecumte
Originally posted by InTheLight
Back to the topic of having the freedom to reject a flu shot, I say it should not be mandatory.
Absolutely, the War on Liberty and on personal choice is by far a greater threat to the human condition than catching the flu. The collectivists will never rest from trying to force their ideas and methods for what the perceive as the 'common good' onto others, no matter how misguided, we see that smokescreen used not just in health but more in every area of society. I am happy to see so many people, more every day, fighting back against these fascist types
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by Tecumte
Originally posted by InTheLight
Back to the topic of having the freedom to reject a flu shot, I say it should not be mandatory.
Absolutely, the War on Liberty and on personal choice is by far a greater threat to the human condition than catching the flu. The collectivists will never rest from trying to force their ideas and methods for what the perceive as the 'common good' onto others, no matter how misguided, we see that smokescreen used not just in health but more in every area of society. I am happy to see so many people, more every day, fighting back against these fascist types
So, the restaurant owner who does strictly require that employees wash their hands after going to the bathroom is a vile Fascist?
I don't like washing hands. I want my liberty back! I don't care if you get some of my poop in your sandwich. I'm a free person, dammit! I'm also very smart!