Do big corporations still try to supress alternative energy technology?

I've recently become very interested in free and alternative energy to fossil fuels, and have noticed many companies and inventors are right out in the open about their products. I've long been aware of how the big oil cartels will spend a lot of money and go to great lengths to suppress such technologies, but I am now wondering if the ability to market online and governments piling pressure on companies to cut co2 emissions has made this unviable, that once these new technologies are out in plain sight it is almost impossible to stop them.

Also, big oil have been investing a lot over the past few years in biomass and solar - so are we now seeing a shift where alternatives to fossil fuels will be able to get to market without obstructions?

Originally posted by Ginga
great lengths to suppress such technologies

Cant be done.
If it exists, it'll be on the net somewhere.
A torrent, a usenet posting, a "deep web" page, or any other number of websites.

But it never has.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by Ginga
great lengths to suppress such technologies

Cant be done.
If it exists, it'll be on the net somewhere.
A torrent, a usenet posting, a "deep web" page, or any other number of websites.

But it never has.

One example:



Posted on ATS last year: www.abovetopsecret.com...

There's rules to the game, and the game's not over yet. Not until all this meat is beaten tender enough for the devil hisself to hop up and take the grill, and upon the first flip of the last piece of soggy gristle he will be reverse leg swept slamming face first into coals and decapitated by the lid of the amazing boxed inferno. After some charred remains tacos, it is anyones' court. We can have sustainable or renewable energy then, whatever you want.

Originally posted by Ginga
I've recently become very interested in free and alternative energy to fossil fuels, and have noticed many companies and inventors are right out in the open about their products. I've long been aware of how the big oil cartels will spend a lot of money and go to great lengths to suppress such technologies, but I am now wondering if the ability to market online and governments piling pressure on companies to cut co2 emissions has made this unviable, that once these new technologies are out in plain sight it is almost impossible to stop them.

Also, big oil have been investing a lot over the past few years in biomass and solar - so are we now seeing a shift where alternatives to fossil fuels will be able to get to market without obstructions?

It's not necessarily that corporations may do this, but the government as well. The government keeps a close eye on patents. There have been stories about people who have applied for, or even been issued patents, then to have phone calls from the department of defense to hush them up and/or threats.

There's those making money off of established means, there's those that stand to make money off of innovative technologies. I'm sure a corporation has been guilty of suppressing technologies, Apple is one that comes to mind in regards to a strategy that limits the production and release of technologies in order to ensure future profits.

As far as the energy industry and today... I can only imagine that if GE was able to develop alternative energies, that they would not suppress them and implement them. Maybe... but that's only one corporation, many would be very persistent trying to make money off of their intellectual property.

It's even possible that technologies have been licensed out and not manufactured all in the name of profits.

So to answer your question, yes and no.

Here's a video/doc that you might be interested in. Actually, if you claim to be interested in this field, you WILL enjoy it lol.

www.youtube.com...

A Machine To Die For The Quest For Free Energy

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In the 1960's Shell oil bought my Uncles Patents on a custom carborator for go carts. he could out last the competition as he didn;t have to refuel.
Another corporation in houston stole the bottle jack from him and my father.

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Yes you're right, it's also in governments interests to keep an eye on any new technologies. Thanks for the video link, will watch that

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Well just look around at all the hyperbolic right wing propaganda surrounding things like:

- Solar Power (Solyndra)
- Electric Vehicles (Chevy Volt)
- Energy Efficiency (CFL light bulbs)

And you'll see that the answer is a resounding YES - they are still doing everything they can to derail this stuff. Oh, and don't even get me started on climate change:

Greenpeace Unmasks Koch Industries' Funding of Climate Denial Industry

Koch Industries has “become a financial kingpin of climate science denial and clean energy opposition,” spending over $48.5 million since 1997 to fund the climate denial machine, according to an extensive report today by Greenpeace.

The thing is you're right - if the technology is here, it's not possible for them to just throw a tarp over it and say move along people, nothing to see here.

The problem for these new technologies however, is that they are...well...new.

Even though ultimately they will prove to be mostly cheaper than fossil fuels, right now they still have an uphill battle competing with them because the infrastructure simply doesn't exist for these things the way it does for our 150 year old coal, gas and oil paradigm.

So they require kickstarts through things like government subsidies - which is exactly why you see the old "free market" crapitalist goon lobby fighting it every step of the way.

The moment these things become competitive with fossil fuels on the open market, it is bye bye for them.



So, unlike before - where the gameplan was to buy up the patents and throw them in the shredder - the real battle to suppress these things now is mainly in the sphere of public opinion. Again - look at climate change denial, or all the propaganda focused on convincing people renewable energy is just a big waste of money/hippie Liberal plot to take our freedoms away.

(Because you know - supporting a system where you could put solar panels on your roof and remove yourself from the grid = anti-freedom, but spending $4/gallon at the pump so you can help some Sheik in Saudi Arabia buy a new yacht makes you a true patriot lol).



As for fossil fuel companies investing in alternative technologies - I think the majority of "the establishment" still refuse to do this simply because they know they can make more money the old way - and besides, they are much more keen on investing in their own "freedom" rather than yours and mine from them.

But there are definitely some more forward thinking companies out there, who despite their best efforts to maintain the oligarchy, can clearly see the writing on the wall - and have begun preparing themsleves for what they know is eventually coming one way or the other. It's a good sign, but what still scares me is the amount of Tea Party drones and other sheeple who have just enlisted instead for the propaganda parade.

If someone invented a completely free energy, perpetual motion machine tomorrow - Fox News could probably still convince these automatons it's just a socialist hypnotizing device designed to kill Jesus and take our freedoms away...

If it cuts into profit, then yea some suppression is taking place.