the Universe of Predators - Humanoids vs Reptilians vs Insects.

In the earths eco system we find broadly three streams of life Mammals, Reptiles and Insects. The variety of species within each group etching out a daily grind for survival. This stakes are high in this game - the strong survive and the weak die off, and its generally not a nice graceful die off.

On the Earth we see the human being as the dominant creature, and this is attributed due to possessing the greatest reasoning and thinking ability. The superior abilities of the reasoning mind has allowed humans to build artificial constructs of organisations and techologies, and which give the powers of control over the earths natural resources, and also a stategic advantage to subdue all other creatures which pose a threat; or resistance to human progression.

What if we were to hypothesis for the sake of this thread discuussion that in broad terms the eco mix of humans, reptilians and insects is common ratio throughout the Galaxy; and mabey even throughout Universe. Lets presume also that on some Solar systems that the dominant "Intelligent Reasoning" creature walking the habitable planet around the Sun is not Humans but either Reptiles or Inspects.

What would this mean in Galaxy where Humanoids, Reptilians and Insects come in competition with eachother. This could only feasibly occur where existed the ability to transverse space with an ease we see in Startrek or Stargate. At present the concept of travelling with such ease between solar systems is science fiction, but for the purpose of exploring the "What if" of this thread lets assume this break through will occur in the not too distant future (this century).

Knowing from looking at the earths history that anytime a more advanced technological society has encountered a lesser one, the lesser were conqured and many times its habitants enslaved. In most these cases the enslaved would be put to tasks of manual labour whereby allowing them to performing a useful functioning cog in the functioning mechanism of society.

If Humans were conquered by an Alien race of insects or reptillians woud they be so kind to us. Would some of us also be carouled and breed like cattle for food?

The idea of Conqureing Aliens doing this to us cannot be dismissed when we look at our own human history which is frequented with episodes of of bloody conquering crusades, and tribal conflicts. In comparision the Aliens reptiles or insects because having no kindship with the human species may even be more callous seeing humans as no more than a cattle resource.

If recognising that there may be potentially very hostiles races out there then what should the human race be doing now?
Should we be adopting a policy of sending out space signals calls to see who responds?
We dont think theres any danger to doing this because our science tells us that even if a Hostile race did detect our signal that travel between the solar systems is infeasible. Isnt this a bit of a naive way of viewing the risks?

Has Science let the human race down, have they because of this ignorance of saying because we cant do it no one else could either, that they may be sealing the human races fate?

And who are the leading proponents in todays of science of space technology, is this Nasa? Shouldnt they be stepping up and saying yes travel between Solar systems like in Startrek could be possible and therefore a real risk exists for a predactory race external to the earth to attack and threatend the existance ofthe human race?

Why arnt they stepping up...if we get invaded and enslaved wont they be directly culpable before God.

Anyway whats your views

reply to post by AthlonSavage


You neglect to mention fish, birds, amphibians, meat eating plants, arthropods, encephalopods, marsupials, and all sorts of other types of life on the chart.

Methinks you're just fitting your own thing in with the common mythology already prevalent in the UFO circus.

Besides that, should we ever encounter aliens, aliens will likely lie outside of the common taxonomy described.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


so are these human sized insect and reptiles or are they there respective sizes?

I mean no disrespect at all when I say that your thinking is limited. It is limited by your imagination and your imagination is limited by your experience. Your experience is limited by the imagination of TV and movies.

To take an excerpt from a book,

"“Earth has gone down a certain path. You discovered electricity and have developed it to an unusual level. Other races can go down many different paths. Ressalon computers use crystalline structures to do what you do with silicon wafers. On many worlds plasma energy runs in conduits in much the same way as you run electricity in wires. There are races that have conquered FTL without having as much as an electronic calculator. What you would call magic others see as a science of extreme complexity. It is all so variable. One single discovery can lead a whole planet on a particular path that can be so very different to another planet. There are endless possibilities.”

There is no reason to suspect that Aliens would know half of what we do and the reverse is also true. In a world dominated by insects microbiology may never have been developed. A single pathogen could win any war. Aliens may have no defense against an Atomic bomb because they were never crazy enough to develop something as stupid as the MAD principal.

They may have phasers and disrupters and have no idea of what a hand grenade, rocket launcher or machine gun can do. Let alone mines and electric fences.

IT is all so utterly variable. Such a conflict could very easily lead to the destruction of both species. I think aliens would be just a little bit careful of these problems.

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"Why arnt they stepping up...if we get invaded and enslaved wont they be directly culpable"
omitted the last part for personal reasons

could be the only way to protect life from all things deadly is to die
death could hold life we the living haven't wisdom about yet
too many things to step up against currently so it's probably on a priority system
why try to contact
why not
to live in fear is not life itself
what if they've a brianwash wave to remove killing instinct/thought
would contact of been careless
currently killing instinct/thought has us down for the count

Like the other user before me said, we shouldn't just limit the thought process to just mammals, reptiles, and insects. However I understand where you're coming from and I don't want to muddle anything up.

Stephen Hawking reckons that if we do run across an alien civilization that they would most likely being a nomadic race of aliens out to conquer and strip planets of their resources before moving on to the next, thus we should avoid exposing ourselves to the dangerous unknown that is the universe.

I have a different view, much like when the first creatures crawled out of the bubbling oceans millions of years ago, once again must we evolve and take that dangerous step into the unknown to continue on with our evolutionary and civilizations growth.

Using our own planet as an example we see millions of different species. Some that are relatively peaceful and strictly herbivorous, some that are great hunters constantly vying for the top spot on the food chain, and too many different characteristics to categorize. There will be butthole aliens out there, but there will also be others that want to help, and others that just focus on their own well being because they don't want to make any waves.

Us humans have a great capacity for many things. We've done horrific things to each other and animals, but we've also done amazing brilliant things. Who knows what would really await us in an alien civilization. Because there are sooo many other planets free of life that would be ripe easy picking for a nomadic civilization to just swoop in and not even bother with an intelligent species, so why should they bother? Surely a civilization that advanced wouldn't need to eat us or use us as slaves when they should have mastered AI and artificial food sources. Unless they were just total buttholes.

I just kind of went on a mini rant just typing, probably repetitive. I don't fear any sort of alien attack.

reply to post by DocHolidaze

so are these human sized insect and reptiles or are they there respective sizes?

Yes more or less the same size. 4-8 feet

reply to post by pheonix358

I mean no disrespect at all when I say that your thinking is limited. It is limited by your imagination and your imagination is limited by your experience. Your experience is limited by the imagination of TV and movies.

This is a straightward hypothetical "What if" scenario. It could be a different scenario, but for the sake of providing some guide rails for the debate im keeping this one along lines that most people are familiar with as because of being covered in Tv and movies genre.

reply to post by Quibbler

Stephen Hawking reckons that if we do run across an alien civilization that they would most likely being a nomadic race of aliens out to conquer and strip planets of their resources before moving on to the next, thus we should avoid exposing ourselves to the dangerous unknown that is the universe.

Its interesting that Hawking came out and said this. Mabey he knows something the rest of us dont.

Humanoids are by far the form of choice in the universe. Humanoids develop ten times faster than insectoids and seven times faster than reptilians. Even though TPTB have formed some relationships with reptilians, these will pass when TPTB cease to be the controlling force on the planet.
Our contact with aliens will be humanoids to begin with, which includes Greys. There really are STS and STO beings but our initial contacts will be STO, unlike the STS relationship TPTB have with reptilians currently. We can safely say that when TSHTF next year and beyond, we will only be seeing STO. Humans will have lots to deal with and we will discover that the STO are really here to help because that is who they are. There are lots of ways to approach this subject and I have made my decision. Try to find peace in whatever you decide.
Between Jan-June 1, 2013, there will be a global coastal water event that will likely be caused by the breakage of the Pacific tectonic plate. Coastal water inundation will be up to 200 miles and will therefore affect most humans on the planet personally. It appears that the event will cover multiple months, in the said period. Internet access will be gone by May 2013. For most of us, death will be the first symptom. I believe we must go through this great trial and the harvest of souls, will be immense.
Many who follow the many events leading up to our great world changes, will harbor fear and this is unfortunate. Whatever happens we need to meet the situation head on and keep our heads because many will be losing theirs. We will likely be short on those providing solutions to our dilemma. Mental preparation is the best prepping of all. Try some.

Very interesting thread. I have always felt that Earth is probably in a protective treaty like in the Stargate world. That is, if there are other advance civilizations out there. Which I believe there are. Or the level of advanced beings maybe that can create universes or realities. We would be regarded as a protected planet.

Or maybe we are just a large reality show for some other entities entertainment.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


well insects have an exo skeleton and are fragile by nature, if they wore armor as protection they then lose the speed and mobility which makes them Superior so either way the playing field is about even.. Reptiles are cold blooded, which means they can never conquer us all over the globe, and gives us a wild card to play(block out the sun) ensuring our survival. the only thing that could be a problem is if they have such advanced tech that we literally cant get off the couch to fight for are freedom. ohhhh wait thats already happening

Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by AthlonSavage

 

You neglect to mention fish, birds, amphibians, meat eating plants, arthropods, encephalopods, marsupials, and all sorts of other types of life on the chart.

Methinks you're just fitting your own thing in with the common mythology already prevalent in the UFO circus.

Besides that, should we ever encounter aliens, aliens will likely lie outside of the common taxonomy described.

edit on 24-11-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)

reptiles,birds,amphibians are all fish aswell as mammals because mammals came from reptiles who came from fish. Also the other animals besides the plants you mentioned are mammal.

reply to post by metalholic


Thanks didnt realise the common origin of mammals. Druscilla was doing her usual lets trip over the ufo thread on its face before it gets started.

reply to post by mcx1942


I like the reality show concept although it may well be on their Discovery channel. "Such a diverse race where some eek out a living while some live in what they seem to think as luxury. They use water to clean themselves and have to do so very often. Believe it or not, it takes two of them to procreate. They love as we do and their love is heightened when procreating." "Stay tuned for next weeks program of how they procreate. This ten hour special will show the huge range of different ways they have to do this including procreating in glass tubes. After survival, procreation is their most important passion and they can do this at any time. It is not once year for these strange Aliens, it is as often as the wish." "more weird and wonderful cultures next so stay tuned"

Rofl

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Low level, not passing the tests and growing THE BEAST. A thimbleful of Love on the way scale and a trillion pounds of the BEAST on the other and the Love trumps all.

reply to post by pheonix358


If it is a reality entertainment show for aliens i wonder what ratings we are pulling.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


Average on the Discovery channel but we are up in the high 80s on the comedy channel. "They put What, Where."

Originally posted by metalholic

reptiles,birds,amphibians are all fish aswell as mammals because mammals came from reptiles who came from fish. Also the other animals besides the plants you mentioned are mammal.

If you want to take that further, you could just say we're all just complex colony organisms of bacteria.

Even further we're all just a chemical soup, highly organized mud ... with pants.

Of course that could go further, but, my point, the spirit of my post was, what's with the Reptoid, Insectoid, Mammal thing when (since this is all pie in the sky speculation without any actual real Empirical Evidence) there's so many many other different options?

Why limit?

There could be aliens like The Thing, The Blob, or anything and everything else imagined inside and out of Science Fiction literature and cinema, all totally making whole new Domains on down under the taxonomic scale of Life, Domain, Kingdom, Phylum, Class etc ...

Then, there's also machine intelligence from the ever scary Hegemonizing Replicating Swarm scenarios to Autobots and Decepticons, and then even the somewhat altruistic god-like intelligence of Ship Minds described by Iain M. Banks in his Culture series novels.

Self guided evolutionary machine intelligence could very well be a classification of "life".
Machine intelligence could even effectively be of such sophistication and autonomy that it's indistinguishable from naturally evolved Biological life.

As far as speculation goes, if there's other life, I suspect there's a very strong argument for machine intelligence holding majority population in the universe.

Look at it this way: We develop artificial Intelligence, and while doing so, develop the means to download ourselves into machines, back and forth between biology and machine so whenever we grow old or get injured, sick, etc, we could occupy a synthetic body until we eventually could afford or grow a biological replacement.
Our AIs could in essence to the same.
Eventually Millions of years from now, conditions on this planet become too hostile to support biological life.
By some quirk, faster than light space travel is found to be impossible, so, the only way to really travel is in synthetic form.
Thus, we could occupy machine bodies. Thus, any possible alien intelligence could be floating around inside synthetic bodies, virtual realities, and/or any other way to store a personality or even an entire planetary culture.

Some may even prefer the durability and staying power over the biological option and stick to staying synthetic; adapting a whole new culture that over hundreds of millions of years could be machine longer than they were biological, if ever they were.

Machines, for such reasons are likely a higher probability than any other biological solution.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


depends on what's on... war, nature, trailer park boys, erotica, comedy, cooking channel, philosophy of a knife. if aliens invaded us they would be all like "no man theyre screwing eachother up already, let's just drink the fluids out of some cows, watch and gossip."