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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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very shocking article.




posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv
Obama's challenge is to convince everyone that it's okay to move forward. One way he can do that is by lowering the deficit, by cutting government spending and building revenue, which I believe is his plan.

Obama's not 'moving forward' .. he's just a repeat of the last two years of Bush43.
He isn't lowering the deficit nor is he cutting government spending.
He claims that 's his plan .. but what he says is the exact opposite of what he's doing.
Obama .. Bush43 ... (D) ... (R) .... they are all part of the problem.

The number of people on food stamps has gotten much larger and it continues to grow.
So neither Bush43 nor Obama had a viable plan to get people off government assistance.

Again .. my question ... is this ineptitude by Washington DC or is it part of a larger
plan by TPTB (higher up than Bush or Obama) to make people depend on government so
those people can be controlled??



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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We have to many lobbyist, unions money, regulations, corporate money , tax write offs. To many people who have made a carrier out of politics,with the same old ideas. We need term limits.We need people who are in office for 2 years to only get 2 years of retirement. We need people to vote on some important bills as opposed to our Representatives. We need to take money out of politics and put caring people back in. In short we the people need to straighten out a few things the government cant or wont. I think then we can start solving some of our problems, and help get people back on their feet and get some of their self worth back.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 08:41 AM
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This is frightening. To quote Dr. Who - "Stay Calm. Don't blink". Seriously .. we can't even afford to blink.


It is frightening - and very sad

Tell me Flyers - why are so many on assistance right now?

I chose the word assistance - but that word - foodstamps...stamps - that allow people to buy food

Why now?

Who are these people?

What's wrong with them then - that they can't buy their own food?



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by kaylaluv
Obama's challenge is to convince everyone that it's okay to move forward. One way he can do that is by lowering the deficit, by cutting government spending and building revenue, which I believe is his plan.

Obama's not 'moving forward' .. he's just a repeat of the last two years of Bush43.
He isn't lowering the deficit nor is he cutting government spending.
He claims that 's his plan .. but what he says is the exact opposite of what he's doing.
Obama .. Bush43 ... (D) ... (R) .... they are all part of the problem.

The number of people on food stamps has gotten much larger and it continues to grow.
So neither Bush43 nor Obama had a viable plan to get people off government assistance.

Again .. my question ... is this ineptitude by Washington DC or is it part of a larger
plan by TPTB (higher up than Bush or Obama) to make people depend on government so
those people can be controlled??


Okay, let's just roll with the control theory for a bit. What do you think TPTB are getting out of controlling poor people on food stamps? They're not getting rich off of them, because the unemployed don't have any money. They aren't gaining any power, because what power can the indigent give? Do you think these poor people are servants to TPTB? Are TPTB getting these poor people to do their dirty deeds for them? Cuz I'm not seeing that. Wouldn't TBTP get more out of keeping these "unwashed masses" working and handing the money over to them? So why aren't TBTP hiring these people? Or, do you think TPTB are reptilians who eat the souls of these people? Is that what you think the destitute are to TPTB? food?



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv
My whole argument is that the reason for the huge rise in food stamp users is due to the economic collapse that began in 2007.


The financial crisis certainly plays a part, yes.



What caused that economic collapse and how can we stop it from happening again? Regulate the banking and investment industry, because they caused the collapse and got rich on it.


The banking industry is partially to blame, but not wholly. What about all the people who have been maxing out their credit cards since many decades, living above their means and getting all overweight and comfortable? No issue of such proportions is single-cause.. Blaming the rich is not the answer, just as little as blaming the poor. Its been a few decades in coming, caused by a mentality of satiation. And, looking at History, it happens in many cultures that rise and fall.

Its comparable to the Roman decadence that arose shortly before the whole Empire collapsed.



This is my answer to the OP's assertion that either the government is inept or is trying to "control the masses". The real problem is the government's ineptness (or unwillingness) in clamping down on the unbridled greed that has caused and is still causing our economic problems.


OK, fair enough. But thats not the only thing the Government is inept at. Governments are notoriously and historically in debt across the board because they don't operate profitably. Organizations not driven by profit are short-lived. To be more effective in helping the collective, a Government must itself do Business, own land, own real-estate, trade, etc. Otherwise it just amasses debt until it collapses.



How do we fix the problem of so many unemployed and under-employed right now? Very difficult and very complicated problem. From what I have read and heard, the economy is making a slow but steady comeback. The problem is - the confidence of the people and employers just isn't there yet. While businesses may actually be doing better, they are afraid to start hiring. And people who have money are afraid to really spend it. Low confidence in the economy helps to perpetuate the problems in the economy.


My suggestion to all struggling is to redirect focus away from corporations and governments and to building confidence in self.




Obama's challenge is to convince everyone that it's okay to move forward. One way he can do that is by lowering the deficit, by cutting government spending and building revenue,which I believe is his plan. Cutting government spending does NOT mean cutting out social services.


A good mix of cutting military-spending, foreign interventionism as well as cutting social services should do the job of helping the Government recover. Cutting social services is necessary because 15% on foodstamps is surreal. Its unsustainable.




Look at how Iceland did it. They got rid of their corrupt bankers, cut government spending while keeping social services intact, and took more taxes from the very rich, while helping out the poor and middle class. I see Obama attempting (or beginning to attempt) to do all these things, EXCEPT getting rid of the corrupt bankers. That is a mistake, IMHO.


Icelanders are incredibly industrious people...something Americans havent been since the Industrial Revolution. They are also a very small country with very, very few people to feed.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by jibajaba
i am so tired of legislative thievery - stealing from me and mine to pay for you and your lazy @ss.
-maybe- just maybe -
we should all quit working - this would stop the monster in the east.


This is a very simplistic way of looking at things.

Why should people not pay anything back to their society? You suggest that the government is stealing from you to give to "lazy" people, but you don't consider the social and economic situation of those people.

No doubt, there are people who are lazy, absolutely there are. But do you REALLY think that most of those using these social systems choose to live in poverty, with no career, no future, no prospects and little hope for their children?

So, you want a government that stops "stealing" from you and supporting those in your society who cannot support themselves. That will be great, for about six months.

Then what do you do when those who are desperate come knocking at YOUR door to get food? What do you do about the millions of homeless dying on the streets? What do you do about the increase in social unrest, the increase in infectious diseases, the constant threat of violence every time you open your door?

You think these social systems were created just as an excuse to take your money? They were created to fix the problems that would affect every single American every day!

Here is what would happen if your government stopped "stealing" from you. You would be sent back to the days of the Wild West within a couple of years. That's not just the poor people, that's EVERYONE, including you and your family.

Every time this discussion comes up we have Republicans in these threads screaming about what's theirs and that no one has the right to take anything from them. We the same childish and short-sighted argument put forward every time, demanding that they should get to keep what they have and screw everyone else. And those same people NEVER consider anything beyond their own selfish little world. These hypocrites scream about their money, while at the same time preaching about their military heroes - ignoring the fact that their taxes also go to treatment of those people, their families and their futures when they return from "defending the American nightmare".

I guess you'd like to pick and choose who you pay taxes to support, right? You'll now say that you'd want to give money to help your fellow Americans who served and were injured, or whose families need some assistance. But you'll decide on an individual basis who should get that support (ie, not the black people living in the ghettos, just the white Christian soldier).

How about instead of blaming the poverty stricken for being born into poverty and having very few ways out of it, you blame your government for failing to rise the economic equality of ALL Americans for the last 100 years? How about you blame Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Snr, and every political hack of the last century for systematically failing to close down the ghettos and integrate people. How about you blame all of those people for failing to end the MASSIVE economic chasm now gripping your nation, or doing anything remotely worthwhile to lessen it?

Do you really think that this is not connected to the fact that a small minority owns the vast majority of all wealth in your country? Your nation has the most obvious and critical wealth divide in the world, and that is an indication of what is wrong in your nation.

You want to lower your taxes? Demand that corporations and millionaires pay theirs! Demand that politicians stop the lobbying and the sponsorship, demand that money be kept in the communities in which corporations operate, demand that your taxes be spent to rise people out of poverty instead of keeping them on a drip just strong enough to prevent riots.

People seriously need educating on how society works. Too many people have knee-jerk reactions of "I'm keeping what's mine!!!!!!!!" without any foresight or intelligence when it comes to what the alternatives are.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:11 AM
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Absolutely there are many factors that have been detrimental to our society as a whole. But I firmly believe that the specific rise in the need for food stamps at this present time is a result of the economic crash of 2007.

And I am not blaming rich people in general, I am blaming corrupt people. Unfortunately the most corrupt people also happen to be some of the richest people. Go figure.

Cutting out food stamps and other social services will not help our economy. Getting companies hiring again and getting people spending again will help our economy. Is government reform necessary? ABSOLUTELY! Do we need regulations in order to keep corruption in check? I say yes.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Again .. my question ... is this ineptitude by Washington DC or is it part of a larger
plan by TPTB (higher up than Bush or Obama) to make people depend on government so
those people can be controlled??


Not controlled as much as pushed out of the workforce.

More and more Americans are being pushed out of the workforce, especially those over 25 who are accustomed to greater pay and benefits. In short, they are too expensive. As corporations, companies, businesses and manufacturers are forced to compete with China and others they have to reduce costs to remain competitive. They can reduce costs by lowering labor costs, outsourcing, and/or relocating outside of the USA.

The growing numbers of people dependent on the government are a reflection of the above. The corporate lobbyists and major political contributors influence the government. Immigration reforms bring in new cheap labor resources for them, while eliminating the more expensive American workers. When that fails they can always relocate and use cheap foreign labor, in foreign countries. They have to make profit, they have to cut expenses if they want to remain in business.

This can only get worse as long as the real problems aren't addressed. Trade imbalances, cheap foreign labor, cheap foreign goods and services etc. Along with the regulations and taxes on American companies and employers it's amazing that so many have been able to find ways to remain in business in this country.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The number of people on food stamps has gotten much larger and it continues to grow.
So neither Bush43 nor Obama had a viable plan to get people off government assistance.


Welcome to the economic collapse.


This would be happening whether you had Obama or Romney in the house. The American economic system has already failed. You have $16 trillion of debt.

I say this in almost every thread on the economic situation in the US, because people seem to miraculously forget it and instead blame their current POTUS. This would be happening no matter who you had running the country.

America is screwed. What part of this are American's not getting?

If you want someone to blame, get out your history book and go through the list of all US presidents since the Federal Reserve was created, underline all of them, and there you have your guilty party. Some are more guilty than others of course - for instance, those who take funding from corporations and bankers, and those who lowered the taxes on those who could easily afford it and placed the burden on every other tax payer are more to blame (Bush).

The fact remains that the economic collapse of the USA is inevitable. This is a symptom of the wider problem of economic inequality and a century of little change for the impoverished. It would make no difference at all who is in the position of leading your nation when it comes to the collapse, the ONLY difference is that a man like Obama is less likely to attack the lower class and give handouts to his rich buddies, while someone like Romney is built to think of short-term gains and profits and not the longevity and stability of the entire nation (which he admitted in his 47% speech).

The US is collapsing - just like every other Empire in the history of the Human race - and you elected a president who is more likely to make the road less bumpy for everyone, instead of a man who would sacrifice half of America to save his own wealthy peers.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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My suggestion to all struggling is to redirect focus away from corporations and governments and to building confidence in self.


good idea Sky - self confidence will be just the thing to fix this mess

that - and maybe we should all start wishing for jobs

:-)



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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All you Breitbart readers make me laugh. Really.

Not only do you think that foodstamps and unemployment benefits are this awful entity which destroys your precious Grover Norqvist Amerika, but you even have deluded yourselves into believing that unemployed and food stamp recipients are happy about not being employed! You seem to think they wake up and smile before they go to the ATM to withdraw your money.

So far from reality this thinking is, that only the Germans would have a word for it. Breitbartenhausen or Teabaggerflüggen. - A false belief in which the individual believes that the less fortunate are incredibly happy about being hungry and unemployed. A deluded view of the US in which the individual believes that hungry people are destroying their American values.


 
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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan



This is frightening. To quote Dr. Who - "Stay Calm. Don't blink".
Seriously .. we can't even afford to blink.



 




..........................................Speaking About Blinking



Yeah... during that Blink.... millions of IRAs and 401Ks will vanish into the proposed Øbama Retirement Fund which will seize your accounts and replace the value contained in the IRA with US Treasury bonds/ paper
giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com...



A representative of the liberal Pension Rights Center, Rebecca Davis, testified that the government needs to get involved because 401k plans and IRAs are unfair to poor people.

She demanded the Obama administration set up a "government-sponsored program administered by the PBGC (the governments’ Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation)."



expect this wealth transfer to unfold in 2013 or 2014 at the latest
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posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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It's not so much unemployment, but people are paid to not work. I despise public assistance in this form. It's not up to the government to feed you! Short term unemployment is fine. But as an employer, I can tell you that more than 75% of those applying for a job, don't even return calls for interviews. What does that say! It means they are applying out of necessity than the desire to get a job.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by curiouswa
It's not so much unemployment, but people are paid to not work. I despise public assistance in this form. It's not up to the government to feed you! Short term unemployment is fine. But as an employer, I can tell you that more than 75% of those applying for a job, don't even return calls for interviews. What does that say! It means they are applying out of necessity than the desire to get a job.


75% is a pretty unbelievable number. I think you would have to prove that to me. Besides, how do you know that they weren't just looking for a better-paying job than what you were offering? If you were offering less than what they could get from the government, who could blame them?



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Stop spreading the fear porn lies spewed by the far right fringe groups. This is FALSE! No one is taking anyone's 401(k) money. Sheesh.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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We should all be grateful we live under the greatest system of governance devised by man. The problem is over the last 100 years temporary politicians from both the right and the left have strayed from the principles that made us great. As Reagan put it, "government is not the solution, it is the problem". Government playing Daddy Warbucks is why we are in serious trouble and on the verge of collapse. Government is never benevolent for long, it is a thief.
Money does not represent the things you can purchase with it. Money represents a person's labor during a lifetime that is finite. Most of the people who are successful are not successful by accident, they are successful because they worked hard and sacrificed. Americans are the most generous people on earth but we want to know our sacrifice is not being squandered or abused because some temporary idiot politician thinks they can get more votes.
I, for one, am tired of being compared to people in another country. The founder's of our country knew for a nation to be great the people must be free to pursue greatness. The majority of governments in the Middle East and Africa do not allow this to happen. Even when we assist in removing an oppressive tyrant the people choose to drift back into a tyrannical government (see Iran, Iraq,Egypt). You may feel sorry and curse us for our success and frustration all you wish if it makes you feel better. Until they rise up and correct themselves they will always be less.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by orbitbaby
I have a question. Not trying to be a smart*ss. I'm no economist I don't understand
how some of this works. But if people are losing their jobs left and right, partially due
to so many jobs being outsourced overseas and partially because of what's been done
to our economy, the FEDS printing into infinity, etc., then what do you think a better
answer is? I'm not saying foodstamps are a good answer either. Definitely not long
term. Just wondering what you think a better answer is for these people. What do you
think they should do instead?


The problem is the government created this monster with a desire to bring down America as we know it.

Many people on food stamps work, btw



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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The audacity of some people still trying to blame Bush for this.
Twenty six out of fifty, not fifty seven, is more than 50%.

What happens under a President's watch is his doing, that includes the good and the bad, and everything from killing OBL to a US credit downgrade.
Nobody wants people to go hungry, the point that is being made here js that Obama can officially be crowned as the food stamp President.



posted on Nov, 25 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by SeenMyShare
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The elderly are not the problem! The people claiming Social Security who never paid into the system are the problem. The people who are drawing Social Security who have no actual right to it are the problem and the Government who keeps "permanently borrowing" from the fund are the problem.



You can not receive social security if you never paid into the fund unless you are the spose of someone who qualifies.


If you have not worked or do not have enough Social Security credits and you are married, you may be eligible for Social Security benefits as a result of your husband’s work. You and your children (younger than age 18 or younger than age 19 if still in secondary school or disabled before age 22) have Social Security protection through your husband’s work. When he retires, or if he becomes disabled, you could be eligible for benefits as early as age 62. If you are caring for your child who is younger than age 16 or disabled and entitled to benefits, you could receive benefits at any age.
www.ssa.gov...=12





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