Could the "Red Dawn" Scenario Actually Occur?

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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Here is an article from a mentally retarded correspondant of MSNBC.

entertainment.nbcnews.com...

The article discusses that is has been hurt over her "growing up years" being soiled by the remake of Red Dawn. Supposedly she is a GenX'er. During her time which is the same time as me there were alot of movies relating to Russia attacking America or America being involved with kicking Russia out of areas of the world it had no business being in including the Rambo Series.

Such writers of articles against Red Dawn are actually involved in the conspiracy to create such an event. They want to discount any type of American Pride in America in standing up against such an enemy that would launch such an invasion. They want Americans to be docile and surrender if such an attack were to happen so that their Chinese Masters will have less of fight to occupy the land after which such media correspondants would sell their fellow Americans out to move up the social ladder.

The new generation that has grown up since 9.11.01 need this movie to inspire them to remain hard headed Americans and not to believe in the dogma that the media spins about such movies. The simple matter of fact is that China is a superweapon.

Their products have already overtaken the U.S. market. Look for the "Made in" label on any product that you buy other than food, it will say " Made in China"

With China wanting more and more jobs and American companies leaving America to provide the Chinese with these jobs the products that were created in America, especially computer products that are linked to Chinese investments but may not be built in a China is where the cyber-attack will come from.

All of these hackers that are part of Lulzsec, Anonymous ,ect. are part of the Chinese governments attempt to find any all weak points in the defense infrastructure of the worlds Internet. Such groups often make their claims of attacking websites to find vulnerabilities that can then be exploited in a mass cyber-attack.

Since the U.S. Government does maintain links to every single server and Internet connection in America but cannot maintain surveillance on each system but has to randomly surveil various grids on a monthly basis a coordinated attack by Chinese cyber-terrorists could implant viruses that would self propogate within the server network to launch continual DDOS attacks. Such a DDOS attack would randomly occur in one server turn itself off after a set time and launch an attack elsewhere. These DDOS attack programs would remain in the computer and server and would build upon one another to the point of each network and server receiving multiple DDOS attacks across the net. Even if one network was shut down and another network accessed the propogating DDOS worm would infect the PC as soon as it made the connection to the new network thus spreading the virus to the new server which would then propogate back to the user PC thus creating a permanent DDOS attack that would bounce around the entire network.

The Chinese have over 1 million members in there military that are trained in the cyber arts to create such a virus.

With most of America's intelligence and communication coming in the form of an Internet connection of one type or the other such an attack would cripple Americas ability to launch a counter-strike against a Chinese invasion that would first come by air and then by sea.

So those who discount such an event from happening do not live in the real world, do not understand Internet technology and only believe what they are told to believe....just like the Communist Chinese are.

The best plan against this type of cyber attack is rather simply.

First a Lan Line network that is not connected to the Internet should be created between PC's. Although the PC's that are part of this network will have accessed the Internet a time or two during their testing phase of manufacture they should never be connected to the Internet at all. Their main use to create a network of communications between two groups.

Updates for the operating system will need to be uploaded onto a flashdrive or other USB storage device and then thouroughly scanned for viruses both electronically and manually by a professional trained to located maliscious code within seemingly benign code.

The LAN line should be ran underground and contained within plastic PVC tubing with all of the connections permnantly glued together to keep water and bugs out that might otherwise chew a hole in the lines and thus sever the connection.

Both ends of the tubing will also need to be sealed up so that mice will not get into the tubing and chew the lines up.

The PVC Conduit should be buried to a one foot depth and underneath sod so that any tell tale sign of the conduit is not readily seen or noticed.

Such a depth will also make it easier to repair.

At junction blocks were hubs would be located the hub should be encased in a waterproof container with a access to the hub via a sealable cover.

Its better to plan and make certain that such a network is in place than to wait and see after a Red Dawn Scenario if the network will work.
edit on 24-11-2012 by Dryson because: Because China wants your home and your lands




posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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"Japan would never invade the United States. We would find a rifle behind every blade of grass." Isoroku Yamamoto

This is quite true. Think about it. Every state has very large numbers of HUNTERS as well.

While this says Japan, it goes for ANY country that feel lucky.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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They said that America would never be attacked again like it was on December, 7th 1941.

If my history is correct were we not attacked on 9.11.01?

Seems to me that there is a very real pattern of American being attacked from outside sources.

The only attack that is left that would cripple America is an attack in the manner of Red Dawn.

Commercial airliners were disguised as missiles on 9.11.01 and used against us.

Whose to say that Russian and Chinese assault forces and those against America in general would not disguise theirselves as passengers coming into America on normal airliners. Such advance assault forces would have their jump suits stored in the plane and ready for use.

The passenger liner is depressurized allowing the airborne assault forces to launch their attacks from air where after landing their primary advances would be to secure National Guard resources as these resources are not generally guarded but do contain weapons, munitions and stores of food for their advance forces to maintain their forward advances until the heavy assault forces arrived.

If you were an enemy that wanted to take over America the easiest way into America is through the sky and our commercial airliners.

And just to let you know I did serve in the U.S.M.C and have been following the wars that America has been in and the attacks on America since I was very young.

This scenario is not laughable nor can it be discounted as just entertainment. Thinking of such an event as being mere entertainment is to turn a blind eye towards its reality.

Another way to deter such forces during an attack is too first stock up on food supplies. Canned food only.
Find those who are on the Food Card or who can use the Food Card to purchase canned food.

The canned food should then be placed in bags that can be vacuumed sealed to further preserve it. The canned food should then be buried in PVC containers that have to be screwed into the container itself in order to close.

Mark each container with the type of canned food inside on a card that can then be stored inside the container.

Also add two boxes of a standard type of munition such as 9mm or other commonly used munition that can be used in any type of firearm regardless of its make. One box of .45 Caliber ammo and four boxes of .22 caliber ammo with two boxes of .38 special ammo.

To round out the "Care Package" bandaids for finger, knuckle, foot and large wounds along with stretch wraps and cotton gauze would be included. A few basic model hobby knives that are really sharp along with replacement blades would be nice to have if needed as would a few small bottles of peroxide and Neosporin. There should also be be bottle of Ibuprofin as part of the "Care Package".

Solar powered rechargeable battery packs in various sizes would round out the Kit.

Make a map where you and only you would know where such packages would be buried. Store each package so that it can be rapidly pulled out of the ground by the rope built into the top of the container. This means that the container would have to have about three inches of dirt on top of it and the rope being nylon so it does not dissolve.

Never bury your container at the base of a tree or near a river bank as the roots might dislodge the container revealing its location as well as the erosion causing the bank to erode revealing its location once again.

If using trees as a reference point bury the container above the trees base going uphill. The trees roots like water will follow the path of least resistance and will theferfore not branch out as much if the roots are forced to travel up hill.

Break these care packages up into smaller units but above all else include ammunition in every package regardless of its other contents. You can always shoot your food if you run out.....and yes the enemy will hear the shots fired and come looking for you thus establishing your first ambush.
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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We were attacked by an orchestrated plot by our own government on 9/11/2001



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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If you were an enemy that wanted to take over America the easiest way into America is through the sky and our commercial airliners.


Nah, nothing so messy. They're already taking over america FINANCIALLY. Thanks to the speculators on Wall Street sans government regulation, the US is a sweet juicy peach, ripe for the picking.


BEIJING — Facing a sharp economic slowdown at home, Chinese companies are plowing money into U.S. assets at a record pace, making huge bids for American energy, aviation, entertainment and other businesses.

The increase in investment, already at least $8 billion this year, comes despite lingering American anxieties about potential breaches of national security and loss of technology to the powerful Asian competitor.

articles.latimes.com...

They are taking possession right under our noses while we sniff the air for napalm.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Crappy movie?

Only someone who wants to steer someone away from such an event as possibly happening would call it crappy.

The movie promotes Americanism and how to create a unit during such an event. Only a leader can see through the "crap" that others call this movie.

When it happens I will be raising my glass in salute to those who take heed of this movie and merely looking at those through the barbed wire of their prison who said it was just entertainment and would never happen.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Quoted - If you were an enemy that wanted to take over America the easiest way into America is through the sky and our commercial airliners.

This is how Russia first invaded Afghanistan, so very possible.

Secondly look at a relief map of the US, then China and Russia.

- Notice the US has abundant farmland, meanwhile, populations continue to grow worldwide with:
#1 Russia re-established as a world power with the help of increased oil prices
#2 China becoming the new "world power" (I give them a decade)

Nobody is going to use nukes because that ensures your death as well. We might as well do away with nuke all together because it is not a usable weapon (Unless your a muslim extremists, I think they would use it)

With climate changes, caused by man or natural cycles (doesn't matter) food is going to by the new oil. Meaning there will be wars over farmland and the US has it and others want it.

To answer the original question, Red Dawn as stands cannot happen, however, we can be invaded and occupied. We do not have the population to hold off China and Russia together. North Korea would NEVER be able to pull this off though.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Frazzle Replied :

BEIJING — Facing a sharp economic slowdown at home, Chinese companies are plowing money into U.S. assets at a record pace, making huge bids for American energy, aviation, entertainment and other businesses.

Energy

Aviation

Entertainment

Energy - needed to plant their virus and to shut down electricty grids across America.

Aviation - needed to control airspace in order to effectively allow their "commercial liners" access across America. Being in control of air control towers will also allow the Chinese direct lanes of travel for their assault where they would know which areas are traveled heavily or not at all. From the towers they could direct and redirect flights to areas that are not very heavily populated so their forces could set up their advance command and control bunkers while the assault forces would begin their takeover beginning in the small towns where farmers and other Constitutionalists would have stored large quantities of weapons and munitions.

Entertainment - would be used to launch country wide media campaigns to disseminate misinforamtion about what is happening. Most likely the propoganda would come in the form of American National Guard Units being deployed to areas being reported as under attack as such attacks coming from anti-U.S. Government forces.
Through the use of their own blocking methods that the Chinese government uses to keep its own citizens from accessing outside Internet connections where such programs would be written by Iranian programmers as well as Chinese programmers any and all Internet connections could then be redirected to see what the Chinese invaders wanted the rest of America to see so as to further create the illusion of America not being under attack and or invaded.

In order to counter this effort all of those old school digital camcorders should be kept on hand with a few tapes so any such attack can be videotaped and then given to t.v. and radio shows going against the assault.

The most effective part of the Chinese Campaign to invade America would be the use of media both radio and television.There is single radio show called "War of the Worlds" by Orsen Wells that set the stage for Americans to not believe what they hear until it is too late for them to do anything but surrender.

Don't forget to add a box or two of Buck Shot and Slug in 20 and 12 gauge sizes for those close quarters encounters.
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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no...they have to get here first, as in transportion...america is not going to be surprised by an invading army. knock out the electric grid, or contagous virus release, would be far more strategic, and effective scenario.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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They said that America would never be attacked again like it was on December, 7th 1941.

If my history is correct were we not attacked on 9.11.01?

Your history is correct but your understanding is not. Neither the attack on Pearl Harbor nor the attacks on September 11th were invasions. There is a difference.

A stupid remake of a stupid movie. An adolescent fantasy.
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Phage - and you do not understand military tactics.

Both attacks on America Pearl Harbor and 9.11.01 were merely advanced sabotauge missions meant to catch a nation off guard.

The same type of tactic has been employed in every type of warfare since wars have been fought. You don't send in the main attack force without first weakening the enemies defenses.

Think of 9.11.01 as a command bunker. The attacks on 9.11.01 were meant to destroy the confidence in the leadership of the government not right away but over several years or even decades. When the main attack comes many would remember what happened on 9.11.01 and the governments failure thus leading to a certain number of Americans not believing in the attacks thus breaking down a certain percentage of Americans will to resist and fight back thus making a counter-strike by the American military and such coordination that much more difficult.

Peck at a nation long enough with small terrorist strikes around the country and the country will eventually lose faith with the government and simply give up.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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The same type of tactic has been employed in every type of warfare since wars have been fought. You don't send in the main attack force without first weakening the enemies defenses.

There was no Japanese invasion after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
There was no attack on US defenses on September 11th. There has been no attack on the US in more than 10 years. That's not much of a plan for an occupation.
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Without WMDs to soften up our overwhelmingly armed populace any invading force would be quickly isolated and destroyed,the same would applied to anyone who would attempt to do any large offensive act.They could succeed in small increments if the federal government supported them,but once the cat was out of the bag,all hell would break loose.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Energy - needed to plant their virus and to shut down electricty grids across America.

Aviation - needed to control airspace in order to effectively allow their "commercial liners" access across America. Being in control of air control towers will also allow the Chinese direct lanes of travel for their assault where they would know which areas are traveled heavily or not at all. From the towers they could direct and redirect flights to areas that are not very heavily populated so their forces could set up their advance command and control bunkers while the assault forces would begin their takeover beginning in the small towns where farmers and other Constitutionalists would have stored large quantities of weapons and munitions.

Entertainment - would be used to launch country wide media campaigns to disseminate misinforamtion about what is happening. Most likely the propoganda would come in the form of American National Guard Units being deployed to areas being reported as under attack as such attacks coming from anti-U.S. Government forces.
Through the use of their own blocking methods that the Chinese government uses to keep its own citizens from accessing outside Internet connections where such programs would be written by Iranian programmers as well as Chinese programmers any and all Internet connections could then be redirected to see what the Chinese invaders wanted the rest of America to see so as to further create the illusion of America not being under attack and or invaded.

In order to counter this effort all of those old school digital camcorders should be kept on hand with a few tapes so any such attack can be videotaped and then given to t.v. and radio shows going against the assault.

The most effective part of the Chinese Campaign to invade America would be the use of media both radio and television.There is single radio show called "War of the Worlds" by Orsen Wells that set the stage for Americans to not believe what they hear until it is too late for them to do anything but surrender.


Again I say they can do all of this simply by owning the industries. Want work? You'll work for them. Want a place to live, they will be your new landlord. Want groceries in your cupboard, they will supply them (or not). Its a fairly well established system already, just a change of ownership.

I do agree that bringing the grid down at some point in time may very well be someone's plan, but whose plan it is has not been established yet.
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Other items that should be part of your Care Package should include several solar powered flashlights and two solar powered radio's so newsbroadcasts can be listened to.

Rothco makes a relatively cheap yet durable version.

www.patriotoutfitters.com...

The great thing about the radio is that a laptop can be plugged into and the battery charged that way communication between the PC's of the LAN Laptop Network can continue to communicate when the laptop's main battery cell finally gives out.

Another must is a Biolite stove or similar stove that can also charge batteries on laptops.

biolitestove.com...

Cell phone use would not exist as the Chinese forces would undoudtedly employ ECM devices to track all cell phone use.

Another item in the kit would need to be thermal blankets that can be purchased at any automotive store. These blankets are common in emergency roadside kits and keep all heat in when used. In cold locations around America the blankets can be cut into pieces and placed within socks, gloves, hats and other articles of clothing to keep the body warm.

Placement of these patches should be under the arm pits, ears, fingers, toes and crotch area where most of the heat loss occurs when in really cold environments.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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Frazzle -
I do agree that bringing the grid down at some point in time may very well be someone's plan, but whose plan it is has not been established yet.

The plan would be put in motion by an American politician that views herself or himself as the defining inspiration of American leadership. Basically a leader like North Korea who would sell out America just to suite his own ownership status of having more than someone else thus making him a more powerful person.

America almost had such a person. If Romney would have been elected....we he wasn't so we have avoided such a bullet one more time.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Two carefully placed, high-altitude EMP devices would render our electrical infrastructure nearly useless notwithstanding your PVC pipe and glued ethernet connectors. The general infrstructure of the country would be so badly degraded that there would be widespread chaos. With so many people unable to meet basic survival needs we would be an easy target for an aggressor country.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by jtma508
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Two carefully placed, high-altitude EMP devices would render our electrical infrastructure nearly useless notwithstanding your PVC pipe and glued ethernet connectors. The general infrstructure of the country would be so badly degraded that there would be widespread chaos. With so many people unable to meet basic survival needs we would be an easy target for an aggressor country.


And also completely worthless to an agressive country. Their has to be some logic to an invasion. Taking over a nation the size of the US with its huge population after wreckings its infrastructure would be a disaster. Not to mention the global economy would completely collapse.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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This is true.

But China would not use an EMP device for the simple matter of fact that they would not want to destroy the infrastructure of America and then leave because they know that America would rebuild its military and come hunting them down without any remorse. This a certainty.

What China would want to do is too control the infrastructure and make the populace of America subserviant to China so that any all assets of America could be put to use right away in defending the newly aquired Chinese assets against any NATO ally that would try to counter the advance of China by inspiring Americans to fight back.

The value of the American infrastructure is far to valuable these days to simply EMP the country and fry everything. It would take years to rebuild the infrastructure which in a world wide sweep of the planet in a take over means that the Chinese would need as many assets as possible to continue its march across the world.





 
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