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Based on a calculation of neural decoherence rates, we argue that that the degrees of freedom of the human brain that relate to cognitive processes should be thought of as a classical rather than quantum system, i.e., that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the current classical approach to neural
network simulations. We find that the decoherence timescales(∼ 10 −13 − 10 −20 seconds) are typically much shorter than the relevant dynamical timescales (∼ 10 −3 − 10 −1 seconds), both for regular neuron firing and for kink-like polarization excitations in microtubules. This conclusion disagrees with suggestions by Penrose and others that the brain acts as a quantum computer, and that quantum coherence is related to consciousness in a fundamental way.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by neoholographic
i believe is is Consciousness is the universe. I wrote a thread on this once, and cant remember what thread was titled. Its not a new idea and it does make sense.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by neoholographic
i believe is is Consciousness is the universe. I wrote a thread on this once, and cant remember what thread was titled. Its not a new idea and it does make sense.
The universe is the universe. That is the only thing that makes sense here. Consciousness can be extinguished by sleep or drug or injury or death. That's how weak consciousness is.
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by neoholographic
i believe is is Consciousness is the universe. I wrote a thread on this once, and cant remember what thread was titled. Its not a new idea and it does make sense.
The universe is the universe. That is the only thing that makes sense here. Consciousness can be extinguished by sleep or drug or injury or death. That's how weak consciousness is.
Have you watched the video?
Do you get into the anatomy of the human body and the Universe? If so.... do you not see similarities?
"The Universe is the Universe". What makes sense of a statement that deserves many questions asked and answered?
What do you really know about consciousness as you seem to know very little. I am no way trying to offend you I am simply trying to understand your knowledge of perception thus far because it makes no sense to me.
Tegmark stresses that the crucial factor for quantum theories of consciousness is the ability to sustain quantum coherence in the conditions of the brain. This much is accepted by Hameroff. However, Tegmark says that the purpose of his paper is to calculate the rate of decoherence in the brain, which he boldly states as something that will settle the whole matter.
An unexpectedly long section in the paper is devoted to discussing the speed of decoherence at the level of neurons, which is not the basis for any of the main theories of quantum consciousness. However, Tegmark finally goes on to examine the more rellevant matter of decoherence on the scale of microtubules, which is central to the Penrose/Hameroff model. Tegmark arrived at a decoherence time of 10-13 seconds, which would be too short to be of use in neural processes. However, Tegmark assumed a model involving a superposition of solitons 24 nm apart, whereas Penrose/Hameroff are working on the basis of the much smaller separation of nuclei within the tubulin protein subunits of the microtubules. It remains a mystery as to why Tegmark selected a model that is not only different from the Penrose-Hameroff model, but does not resemble any of the principal modern quantum consciousness models.
The universe is a Conscious thought. I first want to define Consciousness - Consciousness allows which path information to be known.
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
No offense taken. I write with slight negative tone and expect it in return. It brings out the best in people. I know the same as you. We are both endowed with something you call consciousness. We are both perceivers of ourselves and the world around us. There's no difference between you and I in this aspect (unless you are missing an eye). The only difference is the way we explain such phenomena. The universe as a conscious thought is a poor and unverified interpretation of the goings on in the universe. Consciousness as a thing, as something real, as something capable of applying force, doesn't exist. There's no one thing we could properly apply that label to. So how can one conclude that the universe is actually that one thing? ETA: Your video in regards to the universe being one giant organism is more likely and more relevant than the theory that the universe is consciousness or a conscious thought.
Originally posted by MamaJ
I agree.... consciousness is not just one "thing"... it is everywhere.
I like your explanation of "conscious thought", but I want to make sure I understand the term "which path" -- it is a little confusing to me.
Are you saying that "conscious thought" is the same as information describing "which path" we end up on? I am taking your explanation to mean that "conscious thought" is nothing more than "quantum collapse", described at the link below:
en.wikipedia.org...
So it seems to me that you are saying "quantum collapse" is the same as conscious thought. This is interesting to me because my understanding (which isn't great) says that conscious thought causes quantum collapse, and you seem to be saying they are basically the same thing, or that I have the cause and effect backwards.
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
The title of the OP should be The Universe is Conscious, because the universe cannot be anything other than what it already is.