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Top Physict “Really Disturbed” By Recent Solar Flares, Lots Of Fukushima-Type Events Possible

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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:03 PM

I was listening to Coast to Coast the other night and heard Michio Kaku discuss the destruction that impending solar flares could have on Earth IF we were to take a direct hit. He said that we could expect many Fukushima-like events all over the world as power grids are snuffed out. Once the power goes out, and the generators go out, its basically full scale China Syndrome down the line.He aslo suggested it would be like 20 Hurricane Katrinas striking all at once.


He also brought up the subject of insulating our power infrastructure in the US to help protect us from a direct flare. We have technology to help us protect our satellites, our power grids, and other critical components that would help us maintain some if not all control if/when the time came. He mentioned $300M or so would address the problem. Our government has approved not one penny for this protection? Why? Seems like such a small price tag considering the trillions we've spent over the last few years.
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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:07 PM
reply to post by davcwebb

He's kind of a nut.

Everytime I see a video of this guy he's talking about some type of catastrophic event. So far it's been a swing and a miss.

I guess eventually one day it could happen and we should take precautions but........
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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:10 PM
True. He's a leading physicist in the world though; credentialed from top to bottom. I think because of this, when he talks people take what he says as gospel. You never know, he may be on target about a lot of stuff. I guess time will tell.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:16 PM
reply to post by davcwebb

Well he's exaggerating a little bit but essentially he's right...

The whole planet wouldn't fall into chaos but the USA definitely could due to their long span transmission lines which act as conductors during a geomagnetic storm which will overload transformers and generators.

Europe should be fine though, since transmission lines there are short span.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:19 PM
I'd just advise perspective and caution on this for getting TOO worked up....and I'm someone who has authored some awfully sobering and ugly ugly fact threads about both Fukushima and the 1859 Carrington Event for how it may look in modern times.

Now I have no doubt Phage or another appropriately experienced member will correct me real quick if I stray too far from proven facts here....but my understanding is that a Geomagnetic Storm that actually has impact at ground level on Earth (like telegraph lines running better without batteries than with them in 1859) is similar enough to a Nuclear generated electromagnetic pulse to talk similarly for what to expect.

Now Japan didn't build everything they have and everything they need with the first, foremost and driving thought for it to survive a global thermonuclear war, or at least not ADD to the problems 'when' one happened. By contrast, everything in the U.S. power grid for this dates before the Fall of the Wall and the end to day-to-day thinking as a cold war necessity.

I'm going to make a rare assumption here and feel fairly confident in saying the Department of Defense thought of EMP blast effects on civilian nuclear power stations inside the US....back when that was a very important thing to consider....and did what was necessary to "win" the war they expected it was all necessary for.

If all that isn't enough.....There is one more major thing and it's a huge one he isn't giving much if any consideration to. Fukushima happened with almost no warning whatever. It's easy in hindsight to say 'Look out for that wave!!' but look at Hawaii recently with the quake in the Pacific Northwest. No one knew what was coming.... In a Solar Flare, we have satellites, in part, FOR this specific purpose. We'll have days of warning because even space has laws that need followed and even 1859 generated visual intensity seen by the naked eye, well before the energy hit. Long terms of time necessary to shut down Nuclear Reactors on an "OH NO! Do it NOW!" basis. We'd be okay on Nuke plants, is my opinion.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:26 PM
Michio Kaku is a public figure, sure. I hate to say Top Physicist by any means other than popular.
"Voted one of the smartest 100 people in New York City" a favorite slogan on his "Science Fantastic" program on XM radio.

One thing that truly bothers me about his radio show format is that he takes questions, answers them with his opinion but never allowing the caller to respond or rebuke. Especially irritating when he farts out the whole global warming conspiracy stuff.

I like his presentation and his show is quite informative on established axioms but he's got an ego the size of Manhattan, a very skewed view on some things that require a proper response and an obvious conspiracy theorist when it comes to the "global warming" nonsense.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:34 PM
I love this guy. I have a feeling a little down the road he is going to be a potent force for humanity.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:44 PM
While we are upgrading for catastrophic cosmic events, we should do something to protect ourselves from the inevitable gamma ray burst.

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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:49 PM
this guy has a higher education then me
so i see benefit in what appears to be an honest disclosure in lay terms
when he discusses scenarios
i'm left thinking most of what he proclaims to be valid in probability

as much as ignorance is bliss i'm just not sure basking in bliss is ignorant
when a guys like this are disturbed

are we to fear death
prevent it and for how long
out smart it and spend forever doing so

so yeah
the right cme will be eye opening as it's results transfolds
i have hope h.a.a.r.p. has some focus towards this subject
perhaps some orbiting group of satellite based h.a.a.r.p. stations could divert future events that could be preventable
i just don't know

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:52 PM
"While we are upgrading for catastrophic cosmic events, we should do something to protect ourselves from the inevitable gamma ray burst. "

then there is this too

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 04:55 PM
reply to post by davcwebb

That is a general problem, people gives blank authority to someone seen as specialist, this has to do with low esteem. It is like seeking legal advices from a medical doctor...

Although in this case, he is a physic so he clearly has some idea what hew is talking about. Note that the UK has made that investment to protect the electrical grid. The problem in the US is the division and competition between states and federal government and the general lack of money for public improvements (strange that money given to the bailout was used in other type of non-returning investments), it also may be also due to the private ownership of the electric network and it complexity...

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 05:02 PM
He mentioned a wandering black hole coming near us and eating up the Sun. Wow, talk about apocalyptic.

On the bright side, it would solve the solar flare problem.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 05:12 PM
There are a number of things that should be fixed with the power grid.

One is the susceptibility to geomagnetically induced currents. That can happen by a number of mechanisms - a nearby GRB, a solar flare, or a high-altitude nuclear detonation. For $300 million, it's a cheap fix, but one they won't make.

Another problem is that the power network lacks something in the way of stability. If you had a few teams of shooters with .50BMG rifles, you could crash the power grid in the US in an hour, and it would take months to fully restore it.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 05:20 PM
I caught this show and was glad to hear Michio cite the 1859 event as an example. Not sure the poster above who referred to Gamma Ray bursts understands the differences in the odds of each event happening are.

Scientists have determined that storms of that strength (which hit earth?) occur every five hundred years or so - So, it's probably not a matter of if, but when another will be released our direction.

If such a storm happened today, are there any procedures in place within the US to brace for it? I know that during mild events, aircraft will adjust their flight plans accordingly and that satellites can be affected, but what would the immediate response be to a real deal solar storm, I wonder?

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 05:30 PM
this is the single greatest threat to our way of life

it's literally terrifying

and could happen tonight

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 05:32 PM
This Physicist is just stating what can happen with our present vulnerable systems in the world. Our magnetic field is weakened and this helps to contribute to the problem. He is not trying to promote fear, he is trying to warn us to upgrade our systems. We have been upgrading our systems in this country for a few years already, not fast enough though. It is expensive to upgrade all the electrical systems in the country.

When there is a solar flare or CME the energy that hits the earth builds up a charge on the surface of the ground, similar to the charge that builds up on top of the snow every winter. This charge can corrode things and enter the house through the ground wire. This gives a little shock to people but it doesn't usually hurt us. It is not good for microcircuits though. It also builds up on power lines and could technically overload transformers or blow fuses. The power companies are installing remote disconnects to limit damage.

I studied a little of what is being done by power companies to stem this vulnerability, trying to figure out what they are doing. It is interesting that they already know how to fix this potential problem and are doing it slowly. Like I said, it is expensive to alter the lines everywhere. A car can be protected by grounding the outer shell. In a garage a spring wire that is grounded can be made to touch the frame. There are many ways to address these problems, the high voltage low amp voltage is an inconvenience, not a life threatening problem. There is always voltage in the air and on the surface of the ground, this is normal, it has no amps and is necessary for our survival. When this voltage increases either from increasing the elevation or from adding energy from different natural sources, it effects us psychologically. That is normal, the high you get from climbing a tree has to do a little with this. I'm sure the rush from jumping out of a plane with a parachute is also related.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Sek82
I caught this show and was glad to hear Michio cite the 1859 event as an example. Not sure the poster above who referred to Gamma Ray bursts understands the differences in the odds of each event happening are.

Odds schmodds! I want gamma ray burst protection!!!

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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I'd put meteorite impact above a solar flare on a GLOBAL scale, sure it might send half the world Back into the Stone Age, but it won't physically affect us, whereas a big enough meteorite strike could wipe life on the whole planet out.

It's happened before and will happen again for sure.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 05:56 PM
There is just no doubt that we are in for some extremely strong CME's and flares from our Sun. It has been proven by two independent studies that 13,000 years ago, the Earth & Moon got very hot for a very short period of time. This was established by finding rocks on both that showed micromelting and dating the age of the event. Both came in at 13,000 years. This burned all of the forests to the ground. About 12,000 years ago Earth was reseeded with sentient beings plus flora and fauna, as needed and every person alive on Earth today is a descendant of that seeding. This is what happens when an ELE takes place. Earth is very old and has had dozens of fully developed civilisations, that disappeared due to ELE's.
The video below is 42 minutes and most of it, although well done, is not new info. The best part, with new info, at least for me, starts at 34 minutes in. The author, promoting his book, examines the planetary positions at the time of the 1859 Carrington event and found some very significant alignments that certainly greatly influenced the 1859 event. He goes on to show that there is a similar alignment Dec. 21, 2012.
One would have to ignore much solid evidence, to not realize that our planet is going into macro changes. We can easily say that all but 5-10% will survive the next few years. The Iron Age is drawing to a close and the Golden Age follows. Humans will develop many new abilities.
The first event we can expect is a global coastal water event Jan 1 - June 1 2013. Both Courtney Brown and his remote viewing team and Web Bots, have combined and carried out double blind experiments and came to the same conclusion. It looks like the coastal event will occur over more than one month in the said period. The inundation of water will be 200 miles but vary based on coastline elevation. Mt. Kilimanjaro on the east side of Africa, will be reached by the ocean water and it is 200 miles from the ocean. The best guess regarding the cause, is the breakage of the Pacific tectonic plate and there is increasing evidence that this is true. When you consider that most world population is close to the ocean, the result of the massive tsunamis, will be horrendous.
TPTB, in there greed and obsessive penchant for power and control, built hundreds of nuclear power plants that were very unsafe and conned the sheeple into believing otherwise. This is what happens when the inmates run the prison. Mass extinction is impossible to avoid when and it won't be long, until all of these plants have no power to operate and there huge piles of spent nuclear fuel will go unattended, due to massive human deaths in natural disasters and the shutdown plants will all go critical and emit planet killing radiation. We have done so much, so wrong for so long that it is impossible to expect anything but mass extinction. People are waking up to an uncontrollable nightmare.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 06:37 PM
I was also listening to that Coast to Coast, but...I only heard part of it, I get alot of static and have to switch from two channels to hear anything.
Mr.Kaku is one of the brightest minds of our times. I like him, because the way he explains things, It is straight forward, and simple to understand. He does say alot of stuff that is doom and gloom, BUT, however, all he is doing is pointing out the possibilties of what could happen.
I really wish I could've heard the whole interview. I like George Norry to.

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