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Originally posted by JDmOKI
reply to post by frazzle
I don't quite understand your post. are you stating Americans shouldn't have any nationalism? It seems this should go to the rant section since i interpret this post as a rant against Americans. I just don't see a gray area.
Name one country on earth that doesn't believe they are better then another. you speak as if nationalism is alien to any country besides the US. Just go to a European soccer game with the opposing team jersey on.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by frazzle
I have one question for you: What's your problem with people being proud of their nationality? If they aren't cutting you down, and their pride isn't hurting anyone, I think they are fully deserving of their self-esteem. Quite honestly, I'd rather hear, "I'm proud to be an American" than "God darn those filthy Muslims," or something along those lines.
In my healthy opinion, a healthy dose of security is better than a healthy dose of racism, because generally, all of these racist and stereotypical offensive conversations come from people who are insecure with their place in the world. With that said, be happy for them.
Because from the looks of this thread, people are being beat up on for being proud of who they are, or for being degrading about who other people are. Give these guys a break, seriously. Is there NOTHING people won't gripe about?
"Hey, dude. You're proud of being an American? High five, man. I was watching CNN on the Israelis and Saudis the other day, and you know what I realized? I just ate a turkey dinner the other day, enjoyed some pumpkin pie, watched television, and went to bed without worrying about a bombshell landing in my living room. I gotta say, we got it good. Be proud, my American friend. Be proud."
Nobody chooses their nationality, its like being proud of winning the lottery ~ the luck of the draw. Funny you should bring up racism.
How did we get from proud Americans to filthy Muslims? Yeah we've got it good. So lucky we are that we all got a slice of pumpkin pie while others were getting pounded. Its just hard to equate luck with pride.
Originally posted by luciddream
I think the main reason of OP is "Why are you proud of something you did not do or have control over?"
Having a Pride is different.
Why would you be "proud" of you skin color? unless you think the skin color gave you an advantage, in that case you will be called something else.
Ancestors? unless you are kin to Abraham Lincoln, even then how are YOU part of any accomplishment he did?
Why would you be proud of being Gay? well you should be proud of people who accept you as a normal person.
When someone says "I'm Proud to be Country A" they are being selective, and only looking at positive things the country did.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by frazzle
So your problem lies in the perceived glorification of the American heritage?
Originally posted by AgentX09
We're proud of the fact we don't make ignorant posts on ATS,among others.Such as erasing the #hole the open hails from in hours had its leaders run their mouths like you do.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by frazzle
Hmmm...now you have me thinking. What's the difference between pride and gratitude? These two concepts have very similar expressions, but perhaps that is simply a result of inaccuracy. They are both a form of appreciation, but where gratitude is concerned with the awareness of relief, pride is concerned with satisfaction.
So you're saying that instead of being satisfied, we should be relieved? Why not find satisfaction in this relief? Personally, that's what it's about for me. I don't call it pride, though. I call it gratitude because I don't take credit for anything I have. I don't want credit for anything I have, because satisfaction tends to boost the ego and -
Ah. And there we have it. Your problem lies with the ego. You believe that pride exacerbates our overinflated sense of importance? And that instead of being proud, we should practice gratitude and humility?
I see what you're saying.
Edit: S&F now that we're at an understanding. Glad to have helped make your point clearer for those interested!edit on 23-11-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)