Catholics, Jesus and the last Pharaoh - Maya

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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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as the elections are over....lets go back to being ATS ....oh how i missed you!


Reading the popes remarks about jesus birthdate and how Christmas is a pagan date

I have some very interesting points I want to share, about…Who was jesus? why is Egypt relevant? and how does this tune in with, messiahs, ressurections, paganism, son of god, and the dead king ?
and how is ceaser relevant

Studying Egypt, and quietly watching people around me as we creep towards 2013, mayan apocolypse, and gnostics etc

I want to say firstly
The Egyptian ideology, is a precursor to many modern ideologies in science and art

How did an empire lasting over 3000 years collapse overnight
Its treasures, Ideologies, way of life lost for all time

How did it end…and why is it relevant to us today

well lets see!

*what was a pharaoh

long story short:

The religious ideology is that, the king had a divine BA…a part of his soul he shared with ra the sun …shu and tefnet (air and moisture - creater gods)…with his dead father, the “now” king of the underworld - Osiris and khnum.

In the first times, Osiris was the pharaoh of Egypt, killed by his brother seth, cut into 13 pieces.
12 parts were found, except for his phallice

After his death…he conceived horus with isis (virgin birth)….the earth god, geb, gave egypts throne to horus and not seth

Every king of Egypt, is supposedly horus incarnate, who is related to this lineage…the great house - per-aa (pharaoh)


* who was the last pharaoh

Not an easy question to answer, but what I have found is that there are actually three:
1. taharaq - the last traditional horus king from the nile provinces
2. Cleopatra and ceasarian - the last colonial, Greco-roman ruling elite of the state..ceasarian being the son of ceaser and cleopatra
3. Jesus - ideologically was the next ruler of that school of ideology, with no kingdom, no throne.


* how is Egypt relevant to Catholicism and jesus

jesus died at 32.…. so 0 - 32AD...is jesus`s life

in that same period;

- egypt fell
roman empire rose

- the virgin birth, and ressurection was in the ideology of the pharaoh

- mary and jesus at the same time as isis and horus (horus is the pharaoh)




- the father - osiris
the son - horus
the holy spirit - re the sun

- ending each prayer in "amen" (the hidden one- ie the setting/set sun)

- drinking of the wine eating of the bread - pyramid texts and coffin texts mention this ritual in dead king prayers
as well as book of the heavenly cow (eye of ra and changing blood for wine)

- christmas tree on the 25th of december - nut the goddes of egypt (sycamore tree) gave birth to 5 gods….5 days….. on the 360th day to make it 365.
(Our calender method came from Egypt, as well as math, and science that the greeks are happily taking credit for)

also eating her tree branch and water in the middle of winter/duat..

- killed by the romans

- the vatican, is a sun temple like helipolis

- the pope...added initials to his name RA....pope benedict RA

- similarity in the ankh and cross

* Egypt mayans last days , return of dead king

Weve all seen the mayan calender



Well the Egyptians have an older one



Like the mayans Egyptians mapped the stars and the dead kings journey
They also had a long count….if anyone can read the outer rims of the denderra zodiac..please share

the denderra temple had starmaps and very interesting images on the walls mapping journey of the dead king through the star constellations of aquarius, Taurus, scorpio etc……back to rebirth


* Who was jesus

To sum up
i personally think there are two jesus`s.....and two stories are being merged

theres , jesus of nazerth
and, jesus the dead king

so jesus wouldnt be horus, the dead jesus would be osiris

the divine parts of the ideology (jesus the dead king) sounds egyptian, ie. son of god.

jesus of nazerth sounds like the real deal, a messenger of the almighty god


As I said the ideology of that area was influenced by Egypt and the emergence of rome
as rome went from a republic to an empire, ceaser, cleopatra, ceasarian, octavious, mark antony,all lived during the time of jesus...as jesus died the same year as ceasarian...was that the symbolic death of the king of egypt, horus`s BA.....

As for that area and the people from there
Coming from Egypt and heavily influenced by egypt

The isrealites had two choices
Herod and the calf…or moses and the commandments

other things like…the 10 curses of Egypt….apparently there were only 3 that were needed to confuse the pharaoh…..saying the killing of every eldest son was a curse …could be wrong….I read somewhere that a priest warned the pharaoh of his coming fate and moses…..he was told tha the eldest son of a particular family line, in his kingdom, will be his fall….so the king ordered the death of every oldest son, not knowing that the one he was after was being raised in his palace



As i mentioned earlier, the only part of osiris not found was his phallice…if Osiris is orion, than the
Orion nebula is not his sword, he never had one, he held a spear….the nebula represents his phallice.
Watch the south east corner!

The gnostics are apparently waiting, so are the jews waiting for their messiah,
Keep your eye out for the coming comet and action on mount hermon!!




ok...i will stop here

I hope I stirred some thoughts…love to hear them



I will leave you with a thought….”jesus and our lord” has become “jesus our lord”
If we have a global empire….with one leader….Who has the divine right to rule?
Well the Egyptians had a blueprint that worked for 3000 yrs….

Was the popes remarks in time for the end of 2012?
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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Watch the south east corner

What does that mean?

Also, do you still believe that you are the next pharaoh, with rights by birth like you used to say?



eta: Just saw your signature, so I guess so.
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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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haha.. um... Mr Pharaoh is it? Yes let me give you a brief history lesson. The Rise of Rome did not occur within christ 32/33 years ( that is an estimation because no one knows for sure) Rome was established 27 BC ( before christ) not during.... Egypt was very influential in the bible and the jesus stories so was Rome because both kingdom's existed and still do to this day just not in the previous glorious forms. NOT all pharaoh's were born of a prior pharaoh because as it is with most monarchical systems people plot and usurp the power.. there are many times this happened in Egyptian history and I don't have the passion to go through and list every single occurrence..because their are 31 dynasties alone.. ( I dare not ask which one you are from
) but needless to say the line was very.. um.. not from osiris!.. and Never was.. because Egypt was established by King Menes when he united upper and lower egypt around 3100 BC. It wasn't until around 2500 BC that we get the pharaoh ideal of being the son of Ra. Infact the term "Pharaoh" did not come about until the era of the "new kingdom" and it was the arrival of the GREEKS not the Romans that really put the final nail in the coffin for the Pharaohs and the greeks took over rule of egypt also known as the Ptolemaic period... that elementary egyptian history.. you should probably be aware of it being a Pharaoh and all..


Now to get to your other points in your op.. there really is only one Jesus and he was not a king of egypt or a pharaoh perhaps your thinking of the Moses story?? I'm not sure where your getting the idea of 2 Jesus's because you kinda veered off course during that part of your analogy. Of course Joseph and mary fled to egypt with jesus because of king herod.. they first return to Judah and then to Galilee. But Jesus is not from egyptian descent and is not a pharoah or a king, The bible as a historical reference clearly has his genetic line which you can read for yourself. Anywho.. if you wish to expand on your original statement so that I can understand your meaning please feel free to do so.



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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by gnosticagnostic
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haha.. um...

hehe... erm...


Mr Pharaoh is it? Yes let me give you a brief history lesson.


just pharaoh will do....and will the lesson cost anything?



The Rise of Rome did not occur within christ 32/33 years ( that is an estimation because no one knows for sure) Rome was established 27 BC ( before christ) not during....


erm...then who was ceasarian?...

rome was established 27 bc
cleopatra died 30 bc

and interestingly
the first emperor of rome..., whos sole job was to secure the new empire
died when jesus became a man, when he was 14 (did he have a ba mitzvah lol)



there are many times this happened in Egyptian history and I don't have the passion to go through and list every single occurrence..because their are 31 dynasties alone.. ( I dare not ask which one you are from :puz



the horus king lineage..upper egyptian thebans...memphites from nekhen

thats the only group i consider pharaohs...from menes to taharaq..thats only 25 dynasties



but needless to say the line was very.. um.. not from osiris!.. and Never was.. because Egypt was established by King Menes when he united upper and lower egypt around 3100 BC.


yes i know...but the religious ideology of the first times states...ra was first pharaoh, shu second, geb third...then osiris.....and every king was osiris`s son incarnate - horus



It wasn't until around 2500 BS that we get the pharaoh ideal of being the son of Ra. Infact the term "Pharaoh" did not come about until the era of the "new kingdom"

your confused...the term pharaoh was DROPPED in the 18th dynasty

djedfra and khafra are the first pharaohs to be called sons of ra...khufus son



and it was the arrival of the GREEKS not the Romans that really put the final nail in the coffin for the Pharaohs and the greeks took over rule of egypt also known as the Ptolemaic period...

no my dear boy.... it was the persians....greeks were loved by egyptians because they liberated egypt from persia...the romans were the worst




I'm not sure where your getting the idea of 2 Jesus's because you kinda veered off course during that part of your analogy.


op was getting long

i do think we are merging the story of jesus with the ideology of pharonic rule

just an opinion



But Jesus is not from egyptian descent and is not a pharoah or a king,


i dont think jesus was of egyptian descent

if you look carefully....i wrote

i think taharq was the last of egyptian descent

i said jesus was the last from that school of thought, the last symbolic pharaoh...in terms of the romans
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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Caesarian was illigitimate.Helios was the legitimate son of Cleopatra the seventh and Mark Anthony.Both he and his twin sister Selene (Magdalene) were the legitimate pharoah's.Other than that ,you are on the money.



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
Caesarian was illigitimate.Helios was the legitimate son of Cleopatra the seventh and Mark Anthony.Both he and his twin sister Selene (Magdalene) were the legitimate pharoah's.Other than that ,you are on the money.


ceasarian was the son of ceaser and cleopatra

helios the son of antony and cleopatra


is that right
so basic thought is...cleopatra was a bit sleezy lol



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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ok i'm fairly new and really don't know how to link.. so here goes ...


Barely a decade later, in 332 B.C., a 25-year-old Greek commander, known to the Western world as Alexander the Great, scored a series of victories against the Persians and heralded in a new phase of the history of the pharaohs of Ancient Egypt. Alexander was the young ruler of a group of united Greek city states. He had shown himself to be a brilliant military commander and was in the process of building himself a huge empire. Jubilant at having been liberated from their Persian overlords, the Egyptians gave Alexander a hero's welcome.



oh and i'm not a boy lol.. but thanks and no i'm not confused but I'm not sure what the meaning of your OP is even about? I'm not going to debate history I haven't the time tonight maybe tomorrow
.. anywho.. i do agree that egyptian influence is dominant in the virgin birth story along with many other jesus stories. ( and old testament stories) Gnostic teachings of christ are interesing have you read the gnostic books from the Nag Hammadi Library... very enlightening.

gnosis.org...

and what did the pope say today cause I missed it.



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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here you go
www.abovetopsecret.com...



BTW - so you agree that the greeks werent bad....see
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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Not going to answer the questions in my post?

hmm



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Hmm interesting that the vatican has something to say about it since everyone with any intelligence has known that the birthdate of jesus was not correct.. it wasn't in december and so I not surprised they are finally admitting that the romans were off on the year too.. the Romans were wrong about a lot of things when they took over the christian heresy as the official religion. I am surprised that the Pope said something about it and what that could possibly mean esp since NASA is about to reveal what they found in the mars soil in 2 weeks which is supposed to be "groundbreaking"


PS. and I never said the greeks were bad guys lol..



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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Not going to answer the questions in my post?

hmm

hey dude lol

i tried to be mature and ignore you...but heck

that alais died when they terminated that account lol


peace



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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What alias?

I didn't ask anything about a name...

I asked:

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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Watch the south east corner

What does that mean?

Also, do you still believe that you are the next pharaoh, with rights by birth like you used to say?



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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Watch the south east corner
What does that mean?


....

egyptian pyramid complexes had symbolic entrances in the SE corner for the return of the dead king
they can be seen in
saqqara - djosers complex
giza - wall of crows

also mount gibili and orion nebula were believed to be gates

you happy now



Also, do you still believe that you are the next pharaoh, with rights by birth like you used to say?


yea that alias is dead..along with some deep ass threads....lol
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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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Watch the south east corner
What does that mean?


....

egyptian pyramid complexes had symbolic entrances in the SE corner for the return of the dead king
they can be seen in
saqqara - djosers complex
giza - wall of crows

also mount gibili and orion nebula were believed to be gates

you happy now



Also, do you still believe that you are the next pharaoh, with rights by birth like you used to say?


yea that alias is dead..along with some deep ass threads....lol
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Am I happy now?


I simply asked about a sentence from your OP (and your signature) that you gave no explanation for. Maybe it was meant to be cryptic.

The second question is related to the thread also and in your signature you say you are the pharaoh resurrected, too. Thus the question.

If you don't want to be asked certain questions, sorry, but I missed the memo.
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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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You mentioned the Pope putting RA after his name. I'm reading The Magic of Obelisks by Peter Tompkins. It discusses how Pope Sixtus erected the obelisk at the Vatican and put a cross atop it to symbolize the Church's supremacy over paganism.

What's your take on the obelisk there and the connection between it and the Pope/Church and Ra?



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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Why did Jesus get bleached?



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Loved reading the post and I am glad others can see the connection as well.

Every ancient story collides and is connected in my opinion.

Glad we have the information age whereas we can tie it all together.



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Jesus of Nazareth? I don't think Nazareth existed at the time of Jesus. I think it is Jesus the Nazarene, a Christian sect.



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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the way i see it is that

catholicisim is a comprimise...between...the senate of the republic, the old emperial religion, and the new wave of "socialist" christianity taking over the region

i think catholics use emperial divine right to rule ideologies

the cross on the obelisk...i agree...the obelisk was a central piece to any creater temple in egypt...symbolising the phallice of Atum which bore the creater gods.....adding a cross ontop seems like a way of addressing their religous rule over egypts religous rule

remember...3000 yrs of divine right to rule ideologies....against an emerging empire
for me...octavious was not an emperor...he was a war lord securing the state for the elite romans.

i would class tiberius as the first true empror, after the mess of the previous 30 yrs cleared up


i would love to know more about tiberius....because by the time of nero...the word of god, as well as the divine state of egypt..where well into the history books

i hate nero...he made the egyptians RIGHT about the issues surrounding leadership...and how it isnt for everyone
peace


BTW - why would the servant of god need a bullet proof vehicle?...jesus was not scared of death..niether was any prophet..or any pharaoh...

wierd
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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Get your stones right!

When image-searching for Mayan calendar; mostly resulting images are the Aztec sun stone...





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