reply to post by maloy
A country that never had experience with democracy, and which does not have a strong social and economic base to support a democracy, can hardly be
expected to become one overnight.
Why not address the most intractable fact of all: Islamism bases itself on a desire to implement Shari'a law nation wide. Shari'a is incompatible with
protecting the rights of minorities.
Unless you've gone overboard into the sea of cultural relativism, Islamism is no real hotbed for the development of democracy. And when the Islamist's
make wishes such as "we want to establish a caliphate with it's capital in Jerusalem", why even acknowledge them? Why not call a spade a spade and
understand that promoting Islamism means promoting war?
I do think Egypt will maintain the peace treaty. Morsi may be associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, but he is a pragmatic politician regardless of
Mursi issued threats during this recent debacle in Gaza that if Israel embarked on a ground offensive, there would be "serious repercussions".
Islamic leaders have been coming to Gaza acknowledging and supporting the Hamas regime. Hamas was created and established on the principles of the
Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas declares in it's charter, it's schools, it's TV stations and its newspapers an unquenching desire to destroy the Jewish
state. Thus, Hamas - and Egypts support of Hamas - insures that Mursi will be unable to maintain the peace treaty with Israel. The first adequate
'provocation', such as a ground invasion of Gaza, will be used a pretext for war against Israel.
This is all very predictable. Peace was made with a secular regime; it could only be maintained by a secularist regime. Mubarak could hardly be called
a "Muslim", although of course he had to appease this base in Egypt if he was every to bring about some sort of stability,but he pursued policies,
particularly with Israel, that were incredibly unpopular with religious Muslims. You think now that the Muslim Brotherhood is in government that this
clamor won't grow louder? That the chances and probability haven't skyrocketed now that Mursi is in power? And has now just passed laws that secure
him dictatorial authority? It's frightening to think what these powers might accomplish for him 5 years from now in shaping the Egyptian mentality.
Their military is certainly in no shape to face off against Israel. Morsi wants what all totalitarian leaders want - complete power. He will get what
he wants by cooperating with the US.
Oh, I'm sure they have a long term strategy. They want to strengthen themselves politically, militarily, socially, and religiously, before they pull
the curtain aside and execute their political agenda against Israel. But to assume no such agenda exists is laughably naive.
You are correct. The Western governments however have always known what to expect. Mubarak was an ally, but they decided the risks of supporting him
against the protesters are not worth is, so they cast their lot with Morsi, knowing well enough what his intentions will be.
If they wanted, they could have supported Mursi, but perhaps the European socialist states who would like to see Israel's destruction compelled the
Obama administration to follow suit.
There's only a very short term gain in supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and opposing Mubarak.
5 years from now, sensible people will understand how great a mistake it was.
There never was democracy.
I mean the 'popular vote'. The vote may have been democratic, but the subsequent government will be totalitarian, eviscerating whatever freedom that
may have existed till that time. Liberals are either going to move somewhere else, or they're going to be trodden underfoot by the Islamizing policies
of the Mursi government.
Egypt is still not sufficiently 'Islamic' in the eyes of Egypt's new government. I'm sure they'll want a few years to strengthen themselves before
they do anything against Israel - and so renounce American foreign aid. I imagine the Islamists are hoping for further gains in Syria, Libya, Jordan,
Lebanon and elsewhere. They've already got the big kahuna in Egypt; they also dominate the parliament in Tunisia...
There's an agenda here that spells very badly for liberalism and democracy in the middle east, and perhaps, the world at large.
22-11-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)