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Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
reply to post by lnfideI
I never said anything like all unhappy Muslims are extremists. I said to treat Muslims with respect because they are people just like all logical people and you responded by posting pictures of extremists.
You realize that these are the extreme minority? And that Muslim people are in fact no different, or less logical, than anyone else?
You are the one who seems to be using the word "unhappy" as a euphemism for terrorist. And then you apply it to populations of entire countries.
Also, your position seems to be that Muslims need the guidance of the West in order to be happy. That is selling them short as humans.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish wit this thread?
reply to post by lnfideI
I am trying to get input from users like you, for ideas that will make unhappy Muslims happy.
In short, they are happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is Muslim
Who is it that these Muslims are blaming for being unhappy?
Not their leadership.
It would seem to me they are blaming the counties that they are happy in.
And to make matters worse, they want to change those countries to be like the country they came from where they were so unhappy.
Could I go out on a limb here and presume that it is going to be a hard job making these Muslims happy?
Originally posted by bobs_uruncle
reply to post by lnfideI
I think I'll jiust answer your title, send them to paradise? Seems pretty simple and straightforward because to be honest, the seem to want to be miserable and misery likes company.
Cheers - Dave
Originally posted by RamsOnTop
Since Islam is a an evil religion whose central purpose is to dominate the world and destrog christianity, Can you please reference which page and verse in the Quran states this? Surely since so many extremist muslims live by this code it must be written in their holy book along with stoning petty thieves, humiliating women and waging war against non muslims.
Make sure you include page numbers and edition info.
2.39. But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.
2.161. Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah.s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;
2.190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
2.191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
3.141. Allah's object also is to purge those that are true in Faith and to deprive of blessing Those that resist Faith.
3.151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
3.157. And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.
4.34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
4.56. Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.
5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
5.38. As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
5.51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
I suppose that might be correct in some cases, but in many others it is clearly wrong and would never be allowed. Islam is designed to keep its followers from the things that make the rest of the world happy.
So the solutions would be to promote peace, freedom, education, prosperity.
Making Muslims happy is exactly the same as making anyone else happy.
Originally posted by RamsOnTop
reply to post by Bedlam
I dont see any evidence of your claims in the search results other than a bunch of blogs. Libraries have official versions. I challenge you to read the Quran first and then you can formulate your own opinion.
Denying ignorance means getting facts from BOTH sides before choosing which version of truth you believe to be true.
Sahih International: O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
Pickthall: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
Yusuf Ali: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
Shakir: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Muhammad Sarwar: Believers, do not consider the Jews and Christians as your intimate friends for they are only friends with each other. Whoever does so will be considered as one of them. God does not guide the unjust people.
Mohsin Khan: O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).
Arberry: O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. God guides not the people of the evildoers.
Perhaps a bold statement, but Islam is not about freedom, it is about submission,
So, my question is, are Muslims and their governments interested in what might make them happy as the rest of the world sees it? Or are they, indeed, a people with very different ideas?
reply to post by PatrickGarrow17
We can't really say that they don't want freedom, because there hasn't been a peaceful time period in the region where these nations are at liberty to develop authentically without the threat of war.