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Surprise: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare

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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by brice
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Now you speak like someone I can discuss this with. Unfortunatly it's 12.00am where I live and it's bed time. I will look to continue tomorrow.
peace brother,
brice


I will check for your replies tomorrow night.




posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Thank you for your sources, but again, all the Democrats did was open the door for universal healthcare. Neither party was happy with the end result because its a pile of compromises. Give it time, wrongs can be righted and it can be improved. The important thing, the hard thing was to get it passed, the foundation is in and now construction of better, more civilized system can begin.
Your complaints are the same ones Canada had 50 years ago when Kiefer Sutherland's (Actor) grandfather Tommy Douglas introduced single payer universal healthcare to Canada.
Fifty years later Canadians are still working the kinks out, no matter what the media tells you the system is really good. All our best Doctors mostly attend one or more the the great USA medical schools but still come home to make 1/10th the wages of a U.S. Dr., Even when offered jobs there.
Give your infant system a chance to grow up and improve, don't let it die eary like you do now with your citizens.
brice
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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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I'm not buying they don't have enough money.
Tuition costs have soared in the past 30 years.
Where is all this money going then?



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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The problem isnt Obamacare. The college was on a razors edge before obamacare. The problem is that too many unemployed and underemployed people do not pay taxes and the companies which make the profits to pay taxes, offshore said profits.



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Obamacare requires employers to provide employees with far more than a basic healthcare plan with reasonable deductions. It requires a very high level plan, and if an employee gets coverage via an exchange instead, the employer must pay the fine.

see here

Also if someone could please embed this.



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Urantia1111
Obama seems to have left a gaping loophole in this new heathcare tax of his. All you have to do is hire folks for 29 hours a week instead of 40? Won't all employers eventually do this? It may take some time for people to adjust to living on 75% of their prior budget, but simple arithmetic seems to make it necessary now, no?




YEEEEESSSSSSSS. That's what we've been trying to tell people for years! Some people can get it from paying attention. Others you have to use a baseball bat.......or take their bennies and dough from them in order for them to see the BIG picture!

And unfortunately, it's now to #ffin late to do damn thing. There will be less people covered than their were prior to Obamacare, the low income will still have state medical and the middle working class get sh#t!
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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Funny nobody else calls 30 hours full time. Why does Obamacare get to declare that when all of the business world does not.

Anyway, I hope they were all marxist and then they get to know first hand what their stupid failing policies are really doing.



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Merinda
The problem isnt Obamacare. The college was on a razors edge before obamacare. The problem is that too many unemployed and underemployed people do not pay taxes and the companies which make the profits to pay taxes, offshore said profits.


Why must people make excuses for this sorry Marxist redistributionist scheme which just attacks the private sector while increasing the bureaucratic control?



posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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As posted above, Americans spend way too much on healthcare and end up dying way too soon. Your longevity is like a 3rd world nation. Everybody here is freaking out about it but spend a minute to think about it. How are the rest of the industrial world spending 1/3 the dollars America is on healthcare and they are living longer? Employers are not laying off or firing their staff. These were all concerns Canada had 50 years ago.
Companies will adapt. and very soon it will business as usual, just another cost of doing business.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by randomname
so the unethical actions and greed of this college is somehow obama's fault.



No, the unethical actions and greed of Obama are Obama's fault. The ACA is a corporate bailout for insurance companies and big pharma, and nothing more. This college is choosing not to support it, just like no business should.

/TOA



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by randomname
so the unethical actions and greed of this college is somehow obama's fault.



No, the unethical actions and greed of Obama are Obama's fault. The ACA is a corporate bailout for insurance companies and big pharma, and nothing more. This college is choosing not to support it, just like no business should.

/TOA


Then blame the GOP - it was their idea. They thought it was better to make insurance companies richer, than to have universal healthcare and kick the insurance companies to the curb (like Obama really wanted to do). I'm still hoping that in his second term Obama will kill the ACA and implement a single payer system instead. Hoping.....



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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As posted above, Americans spend way too much on healthcare and end up dying way too soon


First of all, it's still not an excuse for redistributionist schemes and the fed govt overstepping their Constitutional bounds forcing Americans to purchase a product with penalties for not purchasing which can be confiscated via IRS. It is not what our Founding Fathers envisioned for us. It is an affront to Liberty and it is already and will be more of a disaster. Not to mention that due to advancement, we have longer lifespans as a general rule. (Discounting such conditions as toxic pollution)



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Then blame the GOP - it was their idea. They thought it was better to make insurance companies richer, than to have universal healthcare and kick the insurance companies to the curb


No, somebody would have to pay for it all anyway, it just will be via higher premiums to insurance companies(mine already rose on introduction of Obamacare before it was even passsed) and higher taxes in general. The cost will be staggering and will cost more than predictions, just like everything else the govt does. Central planning = failure. You would think those pushing this would have learned from the failure of the Soviet Union.

The Obamacare plan is to phase out private healthcare and insurance coverage and phase in completely centralized Universal care. It's just they didn't get what they wanted because too many people balked. This is why the central planners use Fabianism, because people don't really want socialism/communism at first sight so this stuff gets phased in slowly so people get used to the govt running their lives.
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by brice

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
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Yes it is great that we have so many on Medicare/Medicaid now. Maybe if we can find some Dr. who will accept them as patients now ....


Obama just got elected to another term. If it is a real problem getting a physican G.P. I would dare to guess Obama will fix that problem?


You see that is the PROBLEM with centralized planning. It should never be the POTUS' job to fix finding GP for the health industry. It is POTUS job to DEFEND this country against MARAUDERS. That is his CONSTITUTIONAL job. I'm sorry if you are not American and you don't understand the way our FOUNDING FATHERS set it up.The Constitution and Founding documents provide for the Defense of the Nation, not running healthcare and insurance.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Then blame the GOP - it was their idea. They thought it was better to make insurance companies richer, than to have universal healthcare and kick the insurance companies to the curb


Central planning = failure. You would think those pushing this would have learned from the failure of the Soviet Union.



You would think those against universal healthcare would learn from the successes of Canada, Sweden, Norway, etc. etc. As a matter of fact, the U.S. is pretty much the only developed nation that doesn't have universal healthcare. Are all the other developed nations communist?



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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As posted above, Americans spend way too much on healthcare and end up dying way too soon. Your longevity is like a 3rd world nation. Everybody here is freaking out about it but spend a minute


Ok I did think a minute about this, which is about all it's worth. I just recently attended the 100th birthday of a longtime Church member. Are people in other countries living longer than that? What statistics do you have to back up that some socialist planning is making people live longer than having state of the art technology ? If we spend more it's because we have technology and also because people are coming to the ER and the docs for every little bitty thing like colds and flus, plus we spend a lot on crummy vaccines which don't necessarily do what they are purported to do. I am not a fan of Big Pharma, but I sure would like you to prove that we are a third world country when it comes to healthcare practitioners.
It is a well known fact that there are long wait times for care and for surgeries in countries with socialized healthcare and people "dropping like flies" while waiting for services. It is also well known that in socialist countries, centralized planning determines where, when, and how doctors perform their functions, and that in many cases they do not perform at the highest possible enthusiasm.
I just don't believe your claims.

Some of our costs are actually because our healthcare was partially socialized anyway, with the subsidized Medicare and Medicaid, and services at the ER, where people are not turned away, (except in Michelle Obama's hospital where she worked on the Board there, the poorest people were turned out, and she has the gall to flaunt the Obamacare mess we are in)

Also, Greece has an "insurance mandate" since 83. Have yo unoticed the economic state of Greece lately? Do you realize that the whole "fiscal cliff" discussion in Congress is due to overspending?

Just a casual glance at the Internet on socialized healthcare shows how much propaganda the MSM has been pumping to make people think care is better in all these foreign countries, but there are also indications that that is not the truth of the matter.

There is no instance in which a government has run a health care program more efficiently than the private sector. The only way universal health care can adequately address rising health care costs is by limiting available care. Rationing of care is not an acceptable health care delivery principle, nor is it an appropriate way to contain heath care costs. Read about the often vaunted Canadian Health Care system from a physician who has lived and worked within that system.


Universal care ensures that everyone gets the same care but of necessity it will be of lower quality. In order to control the cost the government will limit payments and determine treatments. Doctors will be required to only use what the government determined was the "best practice" to treat your case, even if it doesn't work for you. They will be punished for using treatments that were not a listed "best practice." Government directed medicine will result in fewer practitioners because their practice is controlled by the government, not their ability.


www.mccl.org...

Also it seems that the percentage of taxes paid out by every individual is much higher to pay for all the services. So rationing + higher taxes sounds like a great plan....but everyone will be treated the same.
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Communism is but a stepfurther down the socialized road. Why do people incessantly use this as an excuse to separate the two? In all the literature, communism is the end product.

Here's a hint for you. The USSR is an acronym for none other than the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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I will let these people debunk the myth

The myth of Sweden as the successful socialist experiment continues to thrive – despite and in direct contrast to the available facts. On his blog, Carl Svanberg recently summarized the state of Swedish health care using recent news reports. It is a nasty image of advanced and high-tech health care that is unavailable when needed, strictly rationed, and where medical personnel dissuade dying people from seeking care.

From Von Mises
archive.mises.org...


Sweden's socialized healthcare is sometimes used as an example that America should follow. It proves that you can get good care for everybody. Does it
In the Swedish media there has been one report after another of people not getting any healthcare at all. In fact, they do not even get an ambulance

thecoldvoiceofreason.blogspot.com...
From a blog by Lordagen Den(sounds like a Swedish guy to me)
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posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Typical propaganda bs. Using newsclips of unfortunate incidents that in no way reflect the the system overall. There is no way that even a "perfect system" wouldn't sometimes fail due to the fact that we're merely humans. And on top of that more retarted bs. about care not being same quality in scandinavia.



posted on Nov, 24 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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It looks like your links are the exact same blogger. So, one blogger who has some kind of axe to grind vs all the statistical information out there regarding the success of universal healthcare. Sorry, not convincing me.

Also, if you really think that all the other developed nations in the world are communist, or one step away from communist, your paranoia is sad.



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