How is this "deadly"?

And I don't see how Influenza death rates could always be so low, in the early 1900s 20million Americans died from Influenza.

So unless somehow magically 1billion Americans got sick with Influenza, one of your main points is tragically flawed.

What ever happend to the good posters who only posted stuff that was fairly solid.

You're making me into a damn debunker, I don't like being a debunker, debunkers aren't liked...but it is a necissary task for the good of all.

I debunked you completely.

Death rates worth worrying about are 90% and 100%, not 10%.

Especially when the gestation period is not crucially long, if it had a gestation period of 6 months and a death rate of say 50% then there'd be something "deadly".

Right now you're just tooting your horn over a dog turd on your lawn.

MorningtonCrescent- Good reply

As the virus mutates, it gets worst. So its expected to be worst and harder to Vaccinate.

well hkot technically it deppends on statistics, 10% is worth worrying about if your population is say 20billion people, i mean thats a hell of alot of deaths, i know the globe is only about 6.2 billion but if sars gets to about 25% fatality rate then it could become quite dangerous, i mean the more hospitalised people the more dangerous it gets as the healthcare decreases..

The flu kills more though yearly. Hope it wipes out the chinese

I don't know about killing the Chinese, but if it does kill them it will kill us as well. SARS is still mutating, I would expect it to get stronger.

Originally posted by HKoT
How is this "deadly"?

And I don't see how Influenza death rates could always be so low, in the early 1900s 20million Americans died from Influenza.

So unless somehow magically 1billion Americans got sick with Influenza, one of your main points is tragically flawed.

Where do you get your information, off a napkin at a run down bar???

An issue here that seems to be avoided is race. Its killing Asians, we knows this. But what about Canada? Were the SARS victims white, or asian? I ask because Im still toying with the possibility of this being an engineered virus specifically designed for one ethnic group. In the US, which has about 65% caucasians, 15% hispanic, 12% black, 8% other, there have been no deaths or reports of deaths, and only suspected SARS cases. Even though there is a huge asian population on the west coast. But what about the canadians whi died..all asians? If they were, and this virus is as contagious, with all the boat people we get over here on the west coast, any could carry the virus here. Thus, Id think ti would have spread farther, with deaths here. Europe has reported hardly anything over there, and they have few asians as well.

In India, who are of the South asian race, they said they thought they had SARS there, but havent found any real cases, and they are prone to normal epidemics. I find the outbreak of SARS awfully close to the rise of tension between us and North Korea. North Korea, who has threatened to use nukes against us, is more pressing threat than iraq, yet we are blowing them off. Is it because our govornment has already "dealt" with them?

I want to try and find info on the races of the victims, if they are all or almost entirely asian in race, then my suspicions will lean more towards another genetic virus engineered to target one group of people, much like aids and africa.

If they have indeed done this, then the true capabilities of the US military.biotech complex have pretty much reached a level of frightening advancement that even i couldnt have imagined.........

May 11, 2003 -

SARS Current World Total:
7,296 cases
526 deaths now in 33 countries and regions.

SARS in United States:
332 suspected
64 probable cases, in 38 states.
No deaths.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf I agree with your statement, epidemics now a days should be easier to control than SARS. Its funny that the US has had SARS, but their is no information on the patients. Wonder if the US is making it up

i live in toronto the number of cases here as gone down actually

Its surprising, I have heard little of SARS in the news at all, here oin the US, when id think if they did exist......they would be big news.

So maybe, we either have alot more in the asian community........

or, since the country has few asians, we have none. Hide the number of SARS cases to blunt suspicion?

I havent seen any real data on the nature of SARS. I wonder how many North Koreans have it?

I see what you are saying elf. If this is true, then the end of the world is a lot closer then I thought. People who originally where infected with SARS, and appeared healthy, are now starting to re-develop symptoms of the virus. This shows that the body's anti-bodies are not working which is further proof of a very sophisticated virus-- perhaps bioengineered. The rapid mutation of SARS is like the problem with AIDS mutating, except SARS is transmited through the air which just makes this bad problem even worse.

Fox I wouldn't be using "Earthfiles" data. Or where ever their source is it is wrong.

Go directly to the "WHO" site for the most current data.

I don't know where you heard SARS is reoccurring omega1, it's not SARS, it's an immune response that they suffer from.

An over active immune system and so after release they have feavers again.

SARS still has 3 times the infection rate it had before quarantine and still is spreading into new provinces of china.

SARS isn't very deadly if treated, but I've currently been trying to find the information on handling capacities of Chinese facilities, my question is how many more patients can they recieve before they are treating so many people, that containment becomes difficult. And then how many can they recieve before there are so many sick, that treatment becomes difficult.

SARS is fairly undeadly as I said if treated, about 50% for people above 60, not much worth mentioning below that, but if not treated death from dehydration or starvation would be very common (This is what caused most of the deaths of the 1918 influenza pandemic).

HKoT you're wrong, sorta, you're assuming that the 25million was only in USA, it was world wide.

Influenza is about a 2% death rate, and SARS spreads quicker and longer than influenza, so if it were to escape you'd be looking at 10 times as many deaths world wide from the disease alone, and if the medical infrastructure should fail, probably another billion.

A few points.

SARS is not bioengineered, if it did come from the animal population Guangdong province is the most likely place where it would have started, and it did start there, because of their animal testing and scientific preperation facilities there.

SARS does not mutate like AIDS, SARS mutates like the cold, there are some 300 varients of the cold, AIDS mutates in the body purposefully to trick the immune system. Which is a different thing.

US isn't making up SARS cases, we're just waiting for confirmation.

Also the virus doesn't appear to favor any race, though it favors colder weathers. The Canadian patients I believe were all white.

Byrd, the reason SARS is so important to look at, is Pnuemonia doesn't always need to be treated, sometimes warm soup does the trick, it's a thorn in our side.

SARS kills 100% if you need to be hospitalized but aren't, and some 99% of the cases need to be Hospitalized.

That means without the 1st world medical infrastructure, you have a disease with a death rate of 90%, people dying in the streets from simply dehydration.

Also, as the disease mutates no one knows if it gets worse or better, so Fox that's a presumptuous thing to say.

Ok I think that about covers all the bad rumours here.

Now if you do want a scare in my research I prepared a conclusion that SARS could kill 4 billion on the planet if it became an uncontained completely.

SARS has so far shown to be spreading sparadically to people who had no relation or contact to those previously sick, so this means basically someone taking a crap in a public bathroom 2 weeks later.

If SARS were to put such a burden on our medical facilities, you could expect everyone to get sick, almost all 6billion people, excluding the more remote areas.

But remember, SARS is a very burdensome disease, so far only 43% recovery rate.

Don't focus on Death rates, death rates are a failure of the BEST of medicine, which is why they are so low, as of right now 57% of those administered to hospitals are still there, and most of the deaths are the oldest cases.

So as you can see SARS can put a HUGE burden on the hospitals, which is why I fear if SARS isn't stopped, not just contained but stopped, it'll eventually escape and before we know it, a pandemic will begin. In which people will more likely die in bed from not getting any food more than from the actual disease.

When I get the handling capacities of the medical facilities by country I can try and let you know, we'd be no different from the third world if those handling capacities were breached by too much. And this is a 3rd world killer for sure. The inability to treat it means certain death for almost all ages.

Here's an incomplete list of the infection rates for your amusement. I don't have all the days, I was doing a spread to see if the infection rates were generally on the decline or on the up, I think they're still on the up, WHO does post a rate curve current to May 2nd but they've recently been saying they are better containing it but I'm not so optomistic.

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1) 41

2) 85

3) 77

4) 72

5) 83

6) 63

7) 85

8) 70

9) 51

10) 63

11)

12) 213

13) 66

14) 72

15)

16)

17)

18) 158

19) 210

20) 190

21) 214

22) 226

23) 211

24) 226

25) 211

26) 212

27) 226

28) 207

29) 191

30) 364

31) 153

32) 186

33) 144

34) 119

35) 184

[COLOR=Red]*EDIT* Some important info about USA though.

Total Suspected cases of SARS: 279
Total Probable Cases of SARS: 64

Probable means that the symptoms are SARS related, and that they very well may have it.

Suspect means they have a few of the symptoms with no real evidence more than that.

[Edited on 13-5-2003 by ELSFAW]

If we look at the dates of the first postings here, we can see that the prophecies have yet to be fulfilled.
The advice to check on the WHO is certainly the most reliable.
Just what SARS is remains open to question, at present: there is still no single indisputable answer.

And many more people are dying of cholera: but no one cares very much.

Certainly SARS is NOT the headline news it was and it will be amusing in 3-4 weeks to review SARS-based postings and set up a "Credulity League".
Incidentally, it is wise to bear in mind that "new" cases are very often rather old cases that the authorities have finally got round to reporting.