Yeah we'll secede.. Until the wildfires start up again and we demand federal assistance
Secession of Texas? Is it more than just Republican rhetoric?, page 1
Topic started on 21-11-2012 @ 02:33 PM by JBpage76
The question is not whether we can legally secede…. The question should be.. will we?
With the “Come and Take It” logo imprinted on his own boots, Texas Gov. Rick Perry was quoted as saying: “Texans have a different feeling about independence. When we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation, and one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want. So we’re kind of thinking about that again.” Granted, he would rather us remain in the union but is not oppose to other options as things are rapidly getting worse.
I’ve entered this argument a million times with folks that don’t believe we actually have the right to peacefully secede and sometimes its like trying to explain colors to a blind man when talking to overly devoted liberals or disbelievers.
So here it is. First how about we go to the "Texas Bill of Rights", then the Declaration of Independence ,
ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS.
That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and established, we declare:
Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent
State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.
Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
Declaration of Independence :
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Then there is this…..
"A relatively obscure provision of the 1845 Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States provides that new States, of convenient size, not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas, and having sufficient population, may hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the federal constitution. This Essay (linked below) argues, building on our earlier work concerning the constitutionality of the creation of West Virginia, that Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution permits new states to be carved out of existing ones, with the consent of Congress and the states involved. The New States language of the 1845 Joint Resolution, the Texas Tots provision, constitutes the still-operative, legally-valid grant of Congress's consent to Texas's subdivision into five states. All that remains is for Texas to take up Congress's standing offer."
papers.ssrn.com...
Addition of Content*** Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying I fully support it, this thread is not about that. Rather just proving the point it can leagly be done***
With the “Come and Take It” logo imprinted on his own boots, Texas Gov. Rick Perry was quoted as saying: “Texans have a different feeling about independence. When we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation, and one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want. So we’re kind of thinking about that again.” Granted, he would rather us remain in the union but is not oppose to other options as things are rapidly getting worse.
I’ve entered this argument a million times with folks that don’t believe we actually have the right to peacefully secede and sometimes its like trying to explain colors to a blind man when talking to overly devoted liberals or disbelievers.
So here it is. First how about we go to the "Texas Bill of Rights", then the Declaration of Independence ,
ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS.
That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and established, we declare:
Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent
State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.
Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
Declaration of Independence :
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Then there is this…..
"A relatively obscure provision of the 1845 Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States provides that new States, of convenient size, not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas, and having sufficient population, may hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the federal constitution. This Essay (linked below) argues, building on our earlier work concerning the constitutionality of the creation of West Virginia, that Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution permits new states to be carved out of existing ones, with the consent of Congress and the states involved. The New States language of the 1845 Joint Resolution, the Texas Tots provision, constitutes the still-operative, legally-valid grant of Congress's consent to Texas's subdivision into five states. All that remains is for Texas to take up Congress's standing offer."
papers.ssrn.com...
Addition of Content*** Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying I fully support it, this thread is not about that. Rather just proving the point it can leagly be done***
edit on 21-11-2012 by JBpage76 because: Addition of content
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 02:40 PM by Juggernog
reply to post by JBpage76
Im a Texas Republican and this comes up every single time a Democrat wins the election. Gets old and makes us sound like the boy who cried wolf.
Will we? No, It will never happen. Come on man, these secession threads finally died down, let it go.:@@
Which we did NOT get and did just fine without it.
The question is not whether we can legally secede…. The question should be.. will we?
Im a Texas Republican and this comes up every single time a Democrat wins the election. Gets old and makes us sound like the boy who cried wolf.
Will we? No, It will never happen. Come on man, these secession threads finally died down, let it go.:@@
Originally posted by Hawking:
Yeah we'll secede.. Until the wildfires start up again and we demand federal assistance
Which we did NOT get and did just fine without it.
edit on 11/21/2012 by Juggernog because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 02:52 PM by JBpage76
reply to post by Juggernog
True enough, I added this content to the Original Post to clarify the threads intent....
Addition of Content*** Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying I fully support it yet, just proving the point it can legally be done***
True enough, I added this content to the Original Post to clarify the threads intent....
Addition of Content*** Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying I fully support it yet, just proving the point it can legally be done***
edit on 21-11-2012 by JBpage76 because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 02:58 PM by JBpage76
reply to post by grey580
I understand what your saying and would agree with you on some levels, the intent of this thread is not to pout about Obama, just proving the legality to an argument that we have been having long before this election.
I understand what your saying and would agree with you on some levels, the intent of this thread is not to pout about Obama, just proving the legality to an argument that we have been having long before this election.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 03:00 PM by inverslyproportional
reply to post by JBpage76
I love Indiana, but if Texas ever leaves this crap country of ours, I am moving to Texas before they close the border.
I love Indiana, but if Texas ever leaves this crap country of ours, I am moving to Texas before they close the border.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 03:07 PM by Indigo5
Originally posted by Juggernog
Originally posted by jtap66
I hope Texas does secede.
I also hope that Mexico takes it back by force five minutes after Texas loses the support of the U.S. military.
Brush up on your Spanish!
The Texas National Guard and our Militias are more than a match for the Mexican "Military" and I use that word lightly.
Texas senators ask Obama to help prevent border violence
www.statesman.com...
Texas asks for federal help dealing with 'major' wildfire disaster
www.khou.com...
edit on 21-11-2012 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)
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