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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
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when the last poster who had an original Idea ( in order of posts in this thread ) goes successfully unchallenged, he wins.

there could be another original Idea after his, but if his concept is not contested as not being original, his idea wins.


right now it is lordtyp0 with this concept. Is it original?



In tight summary: It can be construed that the universe does in fact repeat with minor variances. The minds that existed before will exist again on the next incarnation of the Universe-though perhaps with minor variances.



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en.wikipedia.org...


Eternal return (also known as "eternal recurrence") is a concept which posits that the universe has been recurring, and will continue to recur, in a self-similar form an infinite number of times across infinite time or space. The concept is found in Indian philosophy and in ancient Egypt and was subsequently taken up by the Pythagoreans and Stoics.


Somewhat general... but I would argue that this theory is nothing new. Does not the recurrence of the big bang, imply a causality in which the very same 'mind may be reborn again? If one were to apply self-similarity? It almost goes with out saying..
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I'm lost. Is there a reason you sent this to me?




posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Think that was meant for me.
And in case I didnt specifically state it: The existence of a big bang doesn't even necessitate the existence of a great collapse.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS, you convinced me it is unique in its attempt to organize the process the mind would go through in such an event and why we find similarities we only have an inclination of how we might be "aware" of. 100 stars for you. In 2 days or when there is a winner, you will get your prize.


just so I don't forget here are the runner up prizes thus far

Aqualung2012 100 stars

LordTyp0 100 stars

MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS 100 stars for a good explanation.

boncho 20 for a good LOL


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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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I was responding to a reply, in which was headed with

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by jiggerj

So, the response was to zedVSzardoz, and in reference to the theory and providing an example of it not being completely original or new.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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so this one is next. I like your take on the system of balance. This is a subject I have given much thought. Let's see if it can hold its weight as original.


Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by zedVSzardoz
 


For three and a half billion years Mother Nature has taken care of this planet. One species of animal overpopulates, and another species comes around to eat them. This battle has been the pinnacle of streamlined checks and balances.

And then, mankind came along. Seven billion of us and counting. Mother Nature sent the big predators after us, and we took em down. Mother Nature sent volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, plagues... She even had us warring with deadly weapons, but all of this was to no avail.

But, what if Mother Nature is smarter than we give her credit for? What if she put a time bomb in our DNA way back when the first living cell was created? A bomb that will go off in every one around the world at the same time, giving us no time to figure out how to defuse it.

That bomb will render our minds no more powerful than that of a chimp, or maybe even a chimpMONK! And, we'll have to start the evolutionary climb all over again.

Hmmm, for some strange reason I'm really in the mood for a banana.


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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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OOOOOH


UNICORN FART POWER IS NOT ORIGINAL.....OOOOOH SNAP

lol

Unicorn-fart powered cars. Nothing in the universe contains more energy than unicorn farts; one unicorn fart has enough energy to power a car for decades. We can harness this power by capturing unicorns and making them eat bean and cheese burritos for the rest of their lives and storing the resulting farts in jars.


I still want to give him 20 stars though....made me laugh


that was great by the way...
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Abstract

The Holy Grail of gerontologists investigating cellular senescence is the mechanism responsible for the finite proliferative capacity of somatic cells. In 1973, Olovnikov proposed that cells lose a small amount of DNA following each round of replication due to the inability of DNA polymerase to fully replicate chromosome ends (telomeres) and that eventually a critical deletion causes cell death.




Telomere loss: mitotic clock or genetic time bomb?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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well done.

I wasn't even anywhere near finding something like that. Nice.

so we move on....

but,

for the moment. We are not as original as we thought.

I kind of thought this would happen, but that is the point of this thread.

Some great minds here.

I will check back tomorrow. If no new ideas, then I´ll start with my end of the bargain.
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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This is like an afternoon TV game show only the prize isn't anything that great.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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yeah, but what else can I offer? homage and a contractual agreement for my eternal soul for a 1000 years?

Some stars are just me offering to give myself carpal tunnel. It's a bargain really for a good conversation.



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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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I wasn't knocking it so much as I was flagging the concept. I think you may actually have a different way of doing things around here going on. Good for you . Carry on !
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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No-Observation simply allows interpretation. Thinking something is a cube when it is in fact a ball-a cube does not make.


Yes but observation is an interpretation for every individual for their own physical reality. It's what we as individuals make of it, given our physical attributes. They still don't know for sure if we all see the same colours the same. We are all taught what colour an Orange is for instance.

A ball is a ball rather than a cube due to the properties given in order for us to attach a label to a name.
I'm not saying people can see a ball as a cube as that has a physical mass that has a form that has characteristics that can be defined.

Then what about the two slit experiment in term of what is reality and how we perceive it as individuals??






Again-I disagree with Descartes: Perception does not create reality. Disagreeing on definitions does not change what is being defined. Nor does ability to perceive-we know Ultraviolet light exists but cannot see with the naked eye as an example.
Yes, individualism allows the individualistic perspective of what reality actually is, from a limited perspective, therefore reality in it's whole can't be observed as a whole, it is only seen by the individual.
We as humans can only see a very limited wave band as you point out. Reality in it's true form can't be seen.




According to Physics-all matter is energy. All atoms are simply energetic particles in a different configuration. As the charges on the particles work together-they bunch and create a solid-which in turn binds to other elements. E=MC2 describes how much energy is released when converting a type of matter into Energy. Using Uranium and Plutonium for example give you the Atomic Bomb. Gunpowder converts to kinetic energy from chemical reaction to contrast. Because all matter, from your table to the components that make the cells in your leg-is energy and because there are different types of energy from conversions (you consume food-taking it into your defined boundaries and adding its chemical potential to your own-you then decide to punch someone-you convert the chemical potential to Kinetic and probably some emotional outrage ) we can infer that there are different levels of energy, be that described as mathematical dimensions or.. whatever. But like layers of water with oil and whatever going down in layers-what impacts the top works its way down. A lake for example looks calm on the surface but wind acting on it can and does cause underwater storms where mud swirls non stop. Those impacts remain after the cause expends itself. The lake bed is forever changed.


Thanks that makes a little sense in terms of what you were saying earlier, in a weird way. Order where there is chaos, structured. I'm not digging the



Also like the mind this data takes the form of low-almost non-existent energy that causes changes and disturbances that also ripple inward. As the ripples decay, entropy takes over reducing the ripples-but leaving changes in tact. This is what time is-the projection and regression of ripple effects through reality


Sorry, "embarrassed smiley"still don't get that bit.




In context with input to the closed systems I am discussing: I will call it subtle energy-light, sound, information: is constantly coming into the 'mind' and altering it. We watch a movie and it can alter how we see the world. As can conversations etc. etc



Yes, that individual perception. There's what actually happens and the individuals perception of what has taken place.

Ask ten people to recall the same event, all ten accounts will recall differences.




How this factors in is: When the Universe collapses back down and we become proto beings with potential to exist: we are slightly changed from our last existence.


That, I'm finding hard to reconcile with what you say earlier. The "being" is a result of senses made up from those particles in existence in time, (my thinking here)?

Proto beings? How is a being or the essence of one carried over into a or series of protons?




Then when the Universe is ready to give us back our time and place we are mostly the same person but events and thoughts will be slightly different. Even if its something trivial like: favorite color is blue whereas last time it was purple.


Why in the grand scale of such hugeness would that be of any significance?





Since the universes state just before the big bang had infinite mass in what amounts to 0 space: a conceptual pinpoint if you will: Then it can be presumed the configuration of the universe had to have a defined pattern. All that was removed was volume.



A collapse of one Universe and all its matter is born into another.
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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My mother used to get furious with us and say "Can't you just have an original thought?" "Are you so engrained in the herd that you would follow them off the cliff?" But she also said leave me alone and go entertain yourself, that it was character building exercise, thinking we would not be codependant creatures.

The discussion about parents energies at time of death has me pondering...,I think it skips a generation and isn't at the time of death. The connection between grandchildren and grandparents happens while we are living and we have a mutual back and forth of energy, that parents and children don't share, and parents are baffled by the relationship.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Instead we die and are reborn on the same day and same parents with incredibly minor variances. No afterlife. Simply life



The last time you said that you called me a stupid b*sard.

Mods please deal with this person like you did in our last life.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Hrm,
Well again I need to stress that perception and opinion does not = reality. If I am obstinate in my perception of something as being on fire. I can jump up and down and insist-but fact remains that things around it do not ignite and skin does not blister. Suppose that is the core of insanity: The insistence that belief defines reality contrary to evidence.

Simply because we have colluded on definitions does not mean we have power over reality. I type the word "tomato" it is irrelevant if you call it a to-mah-to or a to-may-toe: We both understand that it is describing a red fruit that is commonly put on hamburgers and salads. If I am color blind and see it as grey-does not change what it is. Just changes my experience with one aspect.

For the other items, its tricky to explain since we don't have the above mentioned common ground of definition. I am referring to the very real premise in physics that all things are energy-just in different states. But expanding it to include information. Like 'chemical potential' there is 'idea potential'. Words and imagery can spawn people to violence for example. But, that was just another aspect of it.

At it's core: What I was attempting to express is the Universe is dead but evolves. It adheres to it's rules of interaction and has input from outside it'd boundaries. In a similar fashion the 'mind' is a contained conceptual universe housed in the boundary of the brain. The mind gets energy in: Chemicals (nutrients) and informational. Both change the way people think to various degrees.

So: Time is an arbitrary measurement of how things interact: Entropic Decay, movement etc. This is why it is commonly called 'space-time'. It simply allows predictions and suppositions of where things were and how they will be. So all that exists in fact is 'now'. The Universe goes through the big bang, runs its course, depletes energy via entropy and other forces, slows its growth and falls back into itself. The whole time outside factors (whatever exists outside the physical universe even if that is just the area that matter is expanding into.. whatever it is) are playing with the Universe in subtle ways to change it in small ways at a time. The Universe collapses in a configuration, then another bang is triggered: We are then reborn as Us-not something that sounds like us or acts like us: Literally us. Same matter etc. But... some item changed that could be profound in its impact or irrelevant.

Course, this was a philosophical mental masturbation exercise. Concocted on the fly and ran with.

*shrug



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Tykonos
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Instead we die and are reborn on the same day and same parents with incredibly minor variances. No afterlife. Simply life



The last time you said that you called me a stupid b*sard.

Mods please deal with this person like you did in our last life.


They gave me a medal last time
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Before there was space or time, which never happened, omniscence labored to be true to the definition of Self omnipresence and worked to exist even inside of absolute non-existence, as omnipresence is an absolute meaning everywhere without exception.

The one Singularity is the result of that work and it was an utter failure.

But impose infinite variation and rate angular kinetics upon that Singularity and where the Singularity IS NOT as a component of the "flight path" results in a generated absolute non-existence that CAN be occupied.

But only finites can withold consciousness of this nothingness and are thereby designated as the proxies for extraction of this awareness of this nothing.

In return for their service they are OFFERED evermore newness and expansion of Self until infinite, which will take forever.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by lordtyp0
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Relevant



Unicorn-fart powered cars. Nothing in the universe contains more energy than unicorn farts; one unicorn fart has enough energy to power a car for decades. We can harness this power by capturing unicorns and making them eat bean and cheese burritos for the rest of their lives and storing the resulting farts in jars.




Don't make me hurt you....




posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Hrm, Well again I need to stress that perception and opinion does not = reality.


Sorry for getting it wrong.
Just trying to understand the concept.




If I am obstinate in my perception of something as being on fire. I can jump up and down and insist-but fact remains that things around it do not ignite and skin does not blister. Suppose that is the core of insanity: The insistence that belief defines reality contrary to evidence


Those buddhist's self immolating spring to mind..

I totally get you. there is a reality, it's the hard facts of life, the undeniable hard core facts; however there is perception of the individual. .Without there being an interpretation from the individual of their facts there isn't an opinion. Reality is always conjecture at it's best. We can only agree on the consensus of informed opinion at the understanding we have at the present time.
Then there is mathematics which totally blows what I'm trying to say way out of the water, so high I've created a new rain cloud.




Simply because we have colluded on definitions does not mean we have power over reality. I type the word "tomato" it is irrelevant if you call it a to-mah-to or a to-may-toe:


Lol, you American's .....it's Tom-arrrrrrt-toe. They still taste the same.




We both understand that it is describing a red fruit that is commonly put on hamburgers.


Lol I was thinking, healthy salad with tuna




At it's core: What I was attempting to express is the Universe is dead but evolves. It adheres to it's rules of interaction and has input from outside it'd boundaries.



Yeah evolution can be described as natural growth, even in death.




In a similar fashion the 'mind' is a contained conceptual universe housed in the boundary of the brain


Made up from the outward senses in the existence it has evolved in?




he mind gets energy in: Chemicals (nutrients) and informational. Both change the way people think to various degrees.


How with regards to probability that is born again, even similar is hard to grasp,.



So: Time is an arbitrary measurement of how things interact: Entropic Decay, movement etc.


Totally




he Universe collapses in a configuration, then another bang is triggered: We are then reborn as Us-not something that sounds like us or acts like us: Literally us. Same matter etc. But... some item changed that could be profound in its impact or irrelevant.


In the grander scheme of things how does the 'butterfly effect' play in that?
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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Neo-Philosophy


1.) Because humankind is undeniably fallible, it follows that all previous philosophical concepts are flawed to some degree, therefore

2.) Every individual should be reared in all philosophical thought, encouraged to apply them to their lives as they see fit, and

3.) Ultimately pick and choose the precepts that work best towards their own happiness.





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