reply to post by intrepid
I find it ironic that the woman (who can read and write) would be killed by those whom she is endorsing in an email.
Afghans protest Remembrance Day ceremony in Canada., page 1
Topic started on 21-11-2012 @ 11:23 AM by intrepid
I was looking for this thread and found there wasn't one. Some Afghans(mostly women) made a stink at our(that includes the Afghans) Remembrance Day
ceremony last week.
www.torontosun.com...
Remembrance Day is a HUGE day in Canada. It's not a statutory holiday as most would appreciate but we are very cognizant of its meaning. We are quite proud of our military record. If this came from English or French people that could be understood imo. This is coming from people who we have been helping, laying down lives for. Then we get:
I'm sorry but if that is how you treat our institutions then please, feel free to go back to your own country. These people forget what it was like for women under the past government. 3rd class citizens. Afghanistan is but a drop in the bucket when it comes to the contribution of our servicepeople. WW1&2. Korea. Viet Nam(unofficially). Bosnia, Cyprus, I could go on. And these people spit on our war dead and veterans?
It was spitting in the faces of Canada's 158 Afghanistan war dead and the thousands who fell in wars before them.
And done on the very day families were tearfully remembering them. It was also grossly disrespectful to a group of veterans — aged 80 to 90 — from both World War II and the Korean War.
It was disgusting.
But freedom can be as ugly in what it must tolerate as this protest on Remembrance Day at Old City Hall was crass.
Interesting that much of this disrespect came from, seemingly, some of the very people who should have been at this ceremony saying thank you. Instead they attempted to ruin it.
"I cannot, and will not, be silent in a ceremony used to glorify Canada¹s mission in Afghanistan, where many of my fellow Afghans were detained, tortured and killed because of the Canadian military," explained Suraia Sahar in an e-mail to Newstalk 1010 reporter Siobhan Morris, as well as Showgram host Jim Richards and producers Jessie Lorraine and Jordan Whelan.
www.torontosun.com...
Remembrance Day is a HUGE day in Canada. It's not a statutory holiday as most would appreciate but we are very cognizant of its meaning. We are quite proud of our military record. If this came from English or French people that could be understood imo. This is coming from people who we have been helping, laying down lives for. Then we get:
"As an Afghan Canadian my anger can be justified," she wrote. "But I faced enough verbal abuse by racist, angry old white people telling me to go back to my country, and that the Canadian military should kill more Afghans."
I'm sorry but if that is how you treat our institutions then please, feel free to go back to your own country. These people forget what it was like for women under the past government. 3rd class citizens. Afghanistan is but a drop in the bucket when it comes to the contribution of our servicepeople. WW1&2. Korea. Viet Nam(unofficially). Bosnia, Cyprus, I could go on. And these people spit on our war dead and veterans?
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 11:28 AM by gladtobehere
reply to post by intrepid
I hate these prowar neocon scum.
Who asked you to go die over there?
GTFO of their countries already!
They dont want you there. Theyre tired of all the effing "help". "Help" of-course consists of being bombed, occupied and hunted down on a daily basis in your own country.
Western nations are there for one reason: MONEY.
What a bunch of ingrates!!!
It was spitting in the faces of Canada's 158 Afghanistan war dead and the thousands who fell in wars before them.
I hate these prowar neocon scum.
Who asked you to go die over there?
GTFO of their countries already!
They dont want you there. Theyre tired of all the effing "help". "Help" of-course consists of being bombed, occupied and hunted down on a daily basis in your own country.
Western nations are there for one reason: MONEY.
What a bunch of ingrates!!!
edit on 21-11-2012 by gladtobehere because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 11:32 AM by intrepid
Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by intrepid
It was spitting in the faces of Canada's 158 Afghanistan war dead and the thousands who fell in wars before them.
I hate these prowar neocon scum.
Who asked you to go die over there?
Actually George W Bush.
What a bunch of ingrates!!!
I guess you missed a couple of parts. 1- That women have more rights now than they did. 2- Afghanistan is but a small part of our military past.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 11:45 AM by bobs_uruncle
reply to post by intrepid
Why does the government allow people to immigrate to our colony that try to change our society, who reap all the benefits of our economy and all the while, those people spit in the faces of everyone already in this colony who built it in the first place?
Oh, I forgot for a second, our politicians are traitors.
Cheers - Dave
Why does the government allow people to immigrate to our colony that try to change our society, who reap all the benefits of our economy and all the while, those people spit in the faces of everyone already in this colony who built it in the first place?
Oh, I forgot for a second, our politicians are traitors.
Cheers - Dave
edit on 11/21.2012 by bobs_uruncle because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 11:56 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by gladtobehere
I'll make an assumption here and take it that Remembrance Day in Canada is the same as it is here in the UK, it's about respecting and remembering the people who served and the sacrifices they made in previous wars and NOT about the wars themselves.
That seems to be something that far too many fail to recognise or understand, for whatever reasons.
I'll make an assumption here and take it that Remembrance Day in Canada is the same as it is here in the UK, it's about respecting and remembering the people who served and the sacrifices they made in previous wars and NOT about the wars themselves.
That seems to be something that far too many fail to recognise or understand, for whatever reasons.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 11:58 AM by muzzleflash
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SOS confirmed : Aiding and assisting
In reality, the blame lies with anyone who condones, supports, or commits indiscriminate violence.
Those whom do not condone and resist such violence, are innocent from guilt.
Assistance rendered.
SOS confirmed : Aiding and assisting
In reality, the blame lies with anyone who condones, supports, or commits indiscriminate violence.
Those whom do not condone and resist such violence, are innocent from guilt.
Assistance rendered.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 11:59 AM by intrepid
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by gladtobehere
I'll make an assumption here and take it that Remembrance Day in Canada is the same as it is here in the UK, it's about respecting and remembering the people who served and the sacrifices they made in previous wars and NOT about the wars themselves.
That seems to be something that far too many fail to recognise or understand, for whatever reasons.
That is an accurate assumption:
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 12:00 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by intrepid
My family was military.
My grandfather, my uncles and many other members of my family were military.
They fought for my rights as a Canadian and for other's rights to live freely.
Afghanistan was NOT about freedom, it was NOT about protecting me or my family. It was about lining the pockets of special interests, the military industrial complex and oligarchs.
I will celebrate the lives of those we lost in that awful campaign. I wil NOT respect our military however.
They are not worthy of it in today's world. The institution of the military is corrupt, murderous and un-accounting of itself.
As for these people. You have every right to protest and every right to voice your opinion, without being hassled, insulted and/or abused.
If I were from one of the Middle Eastern nations that Canada has helped destroy in the last 20 years, I would feel the same way.
~Tenth
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
My family was military.
My grandfather, my uncles and many other members of my family were military.
They fought for my rights as a Canadian and for other's rights to live freely.
Afghanistan was NOT about freedom, it was NOT about protecting me or my family. It was about lining the pockets of special interests, the military industrial complex and oligarchs.
I will celebrate the lives of those we lost in that awful campaign. I wil NOT respect our military however.
They are not worthy of it in today's world. The institution of the military is corrupt, murderous and un-accounting of itself.
As for these people. You have every right to protest and every right to voice your opinion, without being hassled, insulted and/or abused.
If I were from one of the Middle Eastern nations that Canada has helped destroy in the last 20 years, I would feel the same way.
~Tenth
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 12:05 PM by luciddream
reply to post by tothetenthpower
100% with everything you said but sadly, our soldiers take order and die for it as well.
Unlike many others, i do not think Canadian soldiers do atrocities and war crimes.
100% with everything you said but sadly, our soldiers take order and die for it as well.
Unlike many others, i do not think Canadian soldiers do atrocities and war crimes.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 12:07 PM by intrepid
reply to post by tothetenthpower
How short memories are. So you have no appreciation for Canada's peacekeeping missions?
en.wikipedia.org...
Those weren't abstracts that performed those duties. Those were Canadian men and women. They deserve our respect.
How short memories are. So you have no appreciation for Canada's peacekeeping missions?
en.wikipedia.org...
Those weren't abstracts that performed those duties. Those were Canadian men and women. They deserve our respect.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 12:09 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by tothetenthpower
We've had similar issues here in the UK surrounding Remembrance Day - some Muslim protesters have burned poppy's, something that is viewed as an enormous insult to the memory of all those who served and especially those who paid the ultimate sacrifice.
I recognise that these people have a right to express their displeasure with recent and current government foreign policies, but to do so at such a time and in such a disrespectful manner only serves to further alienate them from the rest of society.
That they use such a time to use the freedoms and rights that many of those military personnel fought to gain and protect is particularly ironic and galling.
We've had similar issues here in the UK surrounding Remembrance Day - some Muslim protesters have burned poppy's, something that is viewed as an enormous insult to the memory of all those who served and especially those who paid the ultimate sacrifice.
I recognise that these people have a right to express their displeasure with recent and current government foreign policies, but to do so at such a time and in such a disrespectful manner only serves to further alienate them from the rest of society.
That they use such a time to use the freedoms and rights that many of those military personnel fought to gain and protect is particularly ironic and galling.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 12:12 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by intrepid
Totaly # of servicemen for those peace keeping missings are less than 5000 since we've started.
68,250 is the total number of active service men and women as per 2011.
Yes, I agree that we've done some good. I don't think that good can be used to justify the atrocities commited by our military and others over the course of the last 20 years.
Sorry, but that just don't cut it.
~Tenth
Totaly # of servicemen for those peace keeping missings are less than 5000 since we've started.
68,250 is the total number of active service men and women as per 2011.
Yes, I agree that we've done some good. I don't think that good can be used to justify the atrocities commited by our military and others over the course of the last 20 years.
Sorry, but that just don't cut it.
~Tenth
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 12:13 PM by luciddream
reply to post by Freeborn
When, in this case, people of middle east see the remembrance day, they see that we are celebrating the results of Afghan War and their dead family members.
Its ahrd for some to let go of their sorrow, even tho its mainly about ALL dead soldiers that fought for the country, they just see it as the one that connects to them, Afghan War.
When, in this case, people of middle east see the remembrance day, they see that we are celebrating the results of Afghan War and their dead family members.
Its ahrd for some to let go of their sorrow, even tho its mainly about ALL dead soldiers that fought for the country, they just see it as the one that connects to them, Afghan War.
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 12:13 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Freeborn
I'm certainly not on board with doing it without respect.
Trust me, if you want to protest, do it peacefully, do it with respect to those celebrating and honoring fallen military heroes.
All I'm saying is I don't respect our current military. I respect those who lost their lives, but in the end, they lost their lives because of gready bureaucrats and oligarchs. We should be OUTRAGED that ANY Canadian died for the benefit of them.
~Tenth
I'm certainly not on board with doing it without respect.
Trust me, if you want to protest, do it peacefully, do it with respect to those celebrating and honoring fallen military heroes.
All I'm saying is I don't respect our current military. I respect those who lost their lives, but in the end, they lost their lives because of gready bureaucrats and oligarchs. We should be OUTRAGED that ANY Canadian died for the benefit of them.
~Tenth
reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 12:15 PM by luciddream
reply to post by tothetenthpower
Military does not have the same respect as it used to be.
No more protecting the country and family.
Its all about invading and collecting assets or alternative agenda.
This is directed at ALL currently-at-war Military.
Military does not have the same respect as it used to be.
No more protecting the country and family.
Its all about invading and collecting assets or alternative agenda.
This is directed at ALL currently-at-war Military.
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