I want to play devil's avocado here because she should have a chance to let her story be heard.

She said it was a joke in regards to the sign that said "silence and respect," not the actual monument. Kind of like looking at a sign that says "NO SMILING," then taking a picture of yourself smiling next to the sign.

I honestly think she meant no disrespect here, but made a dumb decision and now she's being hammered for it.

In the case that I'm wrong and she was legit pointing that bird at the tomb, then she gets what's coming to her. I can't say what she deserves as I don't think either way she deserves anything for this, but I won't protest her getting what she gets.

What a complete waste of time and energy to care about this whatsoever. It's just another one of a billion pictures taken everyday by everyone everywhere.

there is this fad or whatever you call it of people taking pictures doing things that are forbidden, often in an ironic/fun way, a guy pretending to run right next to a "don't run" sign, that kind of thing. The girl is pretty much doing the same thing, pretending to yell next to a sign that says "silence", she is not flipping the bird to the dead, but to the sign.
It really scares me that younger generations don't know where the line is. We are becoming too insensible.
For all our disgust i am sure there are loads of people out there that found it funny or edgy or whatever.
THAT is the moment we should fear, when sacrifice becomes trivial.
whatever you think of war and politics, whatever you think about soldiers, whatever side you are on, many of these people died because they didn't have any other choice, and many of them have died so we wouldn't have to.
Frankly, she deserves all the s*!t coming her way.
That, and to be sent to an actual war so she gets the idea of what it feels like. Maybe she would learn there are places you just don't go.

well ,as a vet yes it boils my blood ,but she didnt deserve to lose her job , but as they say YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!!!
KARMA can take decades or instantly hit you , well we know which kind she got

Oh please....
Bunch of whinnies...
You can't disrespect "the fallen" because they are DEAD, they don't exist anymore.
She disrespected YOU and YOUR sense of correctness.

Me, I wouldn't do that "joke" because meh, but what the hell is wrong with you people?, seriously THIS is what causes outrage?
THIS!? Some random chick doing something silly!?
Sure is a first-world problem.......

Wow, ATS, what ever happened to deny ignorance? She isn't standing over the body of a soldier flipping them off, she isn't kicking down a tombstone, she isn't "tagging" a tomb, nor is she burning a flag over the body of a soldier. She's standing next to a sign, looking towards the ground, OUTSIDE OF THE GRAVEYARD mocking the sign.

The only disrespect going on here is against the sign itself, nothing else.

To those of you in an outrage over this and calling her vitrol filled names, ya'll need to take a step back and look at yourselves first. Was it really necessary to call her a fat B***** because she's flipping off the ground near a graveyard?


These posts here are the main reason why I left ATS many years ago in the first place. SMH.

new entry into a dictionary: under antisocial this picture

Blind Patriotism? - Give it a Rest People.

For all we know this "Unkown Soldier" might have been a Total Wank.

And he did not die "Fighting for Your Freedoms" - That's the Most Over-Used Blind Patriotism line Ever.

Originally posted by Unrealised
You may not agree with war, but that doesn't give you the right to flip-off a dead soldier.




I don't like McDonald's, but that doesn't mean I go out and desecrate the graves of former burger-flippers.

Please show me in that picture where she is directing her middle finger at a tomb stone? Oh, I'm sorry what's that? You can't? Because she's flipping off a SIGN?

Oh sh** sorry. I see now. The little black signs fought and died for my freedom during world war two. I didn't know that. Thank you butt hurt people for enlightening me on the situation.

By the way, I'd rather people be throwing around middle fingers than slinging BULLETS AND BOMBS!!! F*** war apologists. War is literally terrorism.

Cos this is hard news, the type we need to consume our minds and distract us from the more trivial issues that surround our great world. I'm more disgusted by the fact this is classified as news then the actual offense itself.

Damn people, priorities.

What a silly, juvenile action for a young adult to commit !

They should give her community service but i don't think she deserves to lose her job or get a custodial sentence.


QV.

Originally posted by Pedro4077
Blind Patriotism? - Give it a Rest People.

For all we know this "Unkown Soldier" might have been a Total Wank.

And he did not die "Fighting for Your Freedoms" - That's the Most Over-Used Blind Patriotism line Ever.

Are you really this stupid? The tomb is for soldiers who were never found and could not get a proper funeral. Honor and empathy that is what this is all about. And to be honest I can see why these simple things would be lost to you.


She had every right to do what she did and I have every right to tell her she was wrong.

Originally posted by qvision
What a silly, juvenile action for a young adult to commit !

They should give her community service but i don't think she deserves to lose her job or get a custodial sentence.


QV.

She did not flip off any dead soldiers, or even empty graves. She flipped off a tiny metal sign. On top of that, according to what many people here are saying, those soldiers in that graveyard died so that she would have the right to flip off that sign.

If you look at this completely realistically, it's technically the soldiers fault for allowing her to have those freedoms by "laying down his life."

Originally posted by SubTruth

Are you really this stupid? The tomb is for soldiers who were never found and could not get a proper funeral. Honor and empathy that is what this is all about. And to be honest I can see why these simple things would be lost to you.


She had every right to do what she did and I have every right to tell her she was wrong.

Are people so confused and in turmoil with their own conscious mind that they are actually letting this get under their skin? If you think she's wrong for what she did, and it hurts you in some way, you are allowing it to hurt you, and on top of that it means that you created an issue out of a complete non issue.

My thoughts are...

a) She undeniably has the freedom of speech to say whatever she wants

b) The rest of us also have the freedom of speech to say how much of an unforgivably rude and ignorant putz she is

c) Her employers also have the freedom of speech to say they don't want their establishment associated with that kind of behavior so they have every right to fire her.

d) Regardless of what your thoughts are of the gov't, it's still the expected norm to respect the dead. That goes for little known grandmothers with the unremarkable tombstone every bit as the unknown soldier with the 24/7 guards. This is because other than taxes, death is the only other constant in the universe, and everyone reading this post will someday wind up in a hole in the ground too. We are in no position to think we're somehow in a superior class because a few decades will take care of that.

e) regardless of whether or not she was just horsing around or was being sincerely disrespectful of our fallen warriors, the fact still remains she was behaving unbelievably stupid, and unbelievably stupid people are still on the list of those I have little empathy for just as much as people genuinely being disrespectful of our fallen warriors are.