Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by AntiNWO

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I absolutely support our Right to Bear Arms and I am a Hunter and own a variety of Guns. Still I have no issue with having certain weapons banned as anyone with a bit of skill can easily convert a Assault Rifle that has been designed to be semi-automatic to becoming Full Automatic.

So it's OK to ban guns, just so long as they're not your guns? That's a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

When is the last time someone converted a semi-auto and then went on a killing spree? Can't say that I've ever heard of such a thing. And I could be wrong, but don't think it's quite so easy to convert a semi-auto to full auto. Sounds like Brady rhetoric to me.

Your posts are as intelligent as your avatar....

Converting from semi to full is relatively easy and common... a simple google search would've told you that...

As for a hunter being rational enough to agree with banning automatic weaponry, it's not hypocritical - it's sane.

Things are not black and white, but grey.

I know it's hard for gun nuts to process that (or in the OP case, do simple research without freaking out), but it's true none the less.

The US is NOT trying to ban a huge list of guns, or letting the UN write it's laws - that's paranoia - a dodgy trait for someone with a lot of guns; that being said, the US SHOULD ban a lot more and enforce a lot more... the gun fatality rate in the US is simply pathetic.

edit on 22-11-2012 by longlostbrother because: (no reason given)

You should really touch up on learning the gun laws that are currently in place. It is illegal to own an unregistered automatic firearm already, and the automatic firearms that are allowed to be owned are so heavily monitored that it isn't even funny. Ignorance abounds in posts like yours. It is not as simple as you state to just modify a semiautomatic firearm into a fully automatic firearm.
If modifying was such a problem then why is it doing a google search I come up with 0 results on a search for news about modified automatic weapons?

i've read some stats - most gun owners have 3 or more guns - an average.
this administration has boosted gun sales through the roof - on the bright side - the U.S. American civilian gun owners are consider to be among the largest armies in the world.
stock up...!
btw - 'an armed society is a polite society.'

ITT: Americans afraid of governments trying to protect them and believe that the government is some sort of anti christ and will kill you all if you dont have high powered rifles

>2012
>only in 'Murica

Originally posted by longlostbrother
We ALL know that some weapons are not for personal use and have no legitimate purpose in the hands of civilians. There should be no need, in other words, for anyone to have access to automatic weaponry.

No one argues for the need instead it is for the choice. I don't know what your deffinition of "legitimate" is but I think that going to the range (or out here where I live just going outside to the berm) and enjoying a hobby is enough "legitimacy" to justify the choice to purchase and shoot for sport a fully automatic weapon. If we are going to let the government decide what is a "legitimate" hobby we are headed down the path to a dictatorship.

There is no "legitimate" reason for my wife to own a bunch of frigging goat figurines or nick-nacks either; heck we could feed a small third world country with what she's spent on nick-nacks since I met her. Why shouldn't the government be able to limit that too...you know for the good of the children of the world.

I have a freind who has an airplane - he doesn't need an airplane he only has time to fly a couple days a month. Also, an airplane in the hands of a civilian could be used as a WMD if packed with fertilizer to which he (working for Pioneer) has almost unlimited access.

Originally posted by longlostbrother
Allowing someone that wants to commit a crime access to automatic weapons is, frankly, stupid.

Here is the problem - unless you are going to develop a pre-crime unit you have no idea who is going to commit a crime before it happens. I have access to fully automatic weapons and I have no desire to commit a crime using them...can I own one please? I promise... All, I can say is that the object is not the problem its the person who wields it.

Originally posted by longlostbrother
I also agree with your first point though, handguns are the main problem.

Handguns are not the problem (reason for violent crime) any more than whoppers are the reason people are fat.

One must chose to use the object in most instances a person will use the most handy and effective implement for any task. If you take away firearms people will just use baseball bats, and knives...or poison or any myriad of other deadly things.

Heck a person could kill more people by chosing to drive a car down the sidwalk at lunchtime in any big city than he ever could with a firearm. Best take away the cars too...

Originally posted by longlostbrother
Most countries aren't awash with hand guns and they do just fine.

Um, sure - I think there are still violent crimes people just use other implements like I said.

Originally posted by longlostbrother
The US governement has neither the desire or ability to become a dictatorship, and even if it did, the chances of the MASSIVE military going along with it is pretty insane.

That is nice that you trust the federal government to have only the best of intentions... I and many others do not share that view. Take it from a career military officer, (Special Forces and Military Intlligence) the military is staffed by people who need to feed thier families and most if forced to chose between losing thier livelyhood or craking down on the civilian polulation would choose the latter. Sad but true.

Originally posted by longlostbrother
If the US wanted to allow just hunting rifles, I'd be fine with that.

I'd not be personally affected if the government allowed only diesel trucks over 3 tons the road as that is what I have. Any ban on other types of faster (more dangerous) and smaller (more dangerous) automobiles wouldn't have any effect on my lifestyle at all... I'd also be unaffected by a prohabition against abortion, or gay marriage, or owning gold or any other number of things.

However, just becasue the restrictions don't affect me personally doesn't mean I should roll over and lie down for government control of things they have no business controlling.

Originally posted by longlostbrother
America's obsession with guns and paranoia is extremely unhealthy... in fact, most everything in America is unhealthy..

The most unhealthy thing in America is the willingness of people to subjugate themselves to the governments will based on lack of knowledge or fear.

The people seem eerily willing to surrender their rights nowadays.

However, the irony is they only want to surrender people’s right to do things that they personally don’t participate in. It’s easy to ask others to give up their legitimate leisure activities – smoking, drinking, etc., becasue you don't personally appreciate the activity.

I don’t see many willing to sacrifice their own freedoms, just those of other people.

Well as we probably all know or have figured, gun bans happen because crime happens with guns. As always the few bad seeds ruin it for the majority. But it's interesting to see how crime goes down in states with conceal and carry laws. And as always the freaks will continue to push for gun bans, which perfectly facilitate a breach of constitutional law.

Like Prohibition, this sort of thing will fail utterly and completely.

What happened with Prohibition? Speak easy's. Blackmarket booze.

The same sort of black market would arise overnight...already there are so many ways to bypass the gun laws it's almost silly to have any at all...with this sort of monstrosity on the books? It beggars the imagination...

But, I don't see it passing muster in either the Senate, despite dem control; or the House, with the reps in control...the only way this gets through is by Executive fiat. ...and that opens a can of worms that a President concerned with legacy doesn't want to touch, muchless open.

But...

The only way to make sure it doesn't happen is to make sure the Congress critters know exactly where you stand on the topic...either against, or even for.

Color me against...

Originally posted by something wicked
I don't go in for gun porn, which essentially that site seems to provide, but why on earth do you need an AK47?

Why not? As with a great many things in life, the fact that I may not *need* something doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to own it. I don't need a Corvette, but I can own it. I don't need a 55" television, but I can own it. If a person may not need one, but if they want an AK-47 or AR-15 for their weekend trip to the gun range, I don't see the problem.

For the record, I don't own anything that would be subject to this potential ban, either.

I haven't yet read all the posts related to this thread, therefore my apologies in advance if I repeat what another member has said.

Do not give up your guns! I am a Canadian who fully regrets giving up my own guns simply because I didn't want to break the new laws regarding gun ownership. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! My intent was to register my long-guns that I had for hunting...a couple of shotguns and a couple of rifles. I personally had no use for a handgun, although I see nothing wrong with them if storage and other safety issues are strictly adhered to (the same common sense as applied to ownership of long-guns). When I took my guns in to register them, I never thought about an assault charge I was found guilty of in criminal court some 15 years prior, which resulted in my guns being taken from me. Other than that one conviction, my record is clean.
Never mind the drug dealers and street gangs who are armed to the teeth with better weapons than most police forces, and I'd bet big bucks (if I had any) that not one gang member turned in their Glock or Uzi! Anyway, at least Canada is now a much safer country in which to live, now that I no longer posess a rifle or shotgun for hunting!
Even if you must take your guns and bury them somewhere, do so! There just might come a time whether due to a natural disaster or civil unrest, you will wish to hell you had kept them!