reply to post by grandmakdw
Hey buddy get your facts straight christmas isnt the "christ childs" bday.
Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period,
Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong
celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman
community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion,
December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.
he ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In
addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual
license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).
In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in
converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians
The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s
concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.
Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of
Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this
resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest
Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.
Originally posted by nixie_nox
Since Chrisians stole xmas from the pagans, you really have no place to get mad.
I celebrate it as a pagan, and a national holiday.
As for you if you celebrated it like the early pagans you'd be in prison right now learn more and try paganism again when youve read up on your
religion a little more and btw they didnt still it the pagans gave it to them