Should we stop giving Christmas Presents to everyone except our children and grandchildren under 16?

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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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For Atheists, why waste your money giving stuff people don't need and part of the time don't really want for a holiday you don't believe in? Isn't it hypocritical for Atheists to celebrate Christmas?

For Christians, why are we joining in the commercialism of a sacred holiday? Towns ban nativity displays while they decorate the streets asking us to spend money we frequently can't afford but deplore the real reason for the holiday. Many stores too have taken Christ out of Christmas, why support them? Isn't that hypocritical?

So both Christians and Atheists are being hypocritical in indulging in societies crass commercialism of a sacred holiday.

For Jews and Muslims, and other religions, are you kidding, Christmas means acknowledging Christ is Lord and that is a horrific heresy for your religion.

I am so angry at how society pushes us to buy buy buy and wants to treat the religion behind it as racist, homophobic, ignorant, and dangerous and has set out to ban every expression of it in the public sector - except when they can get $$$ out of it. Why should we support this?

Christmas is a sacred holiday that celebrates the birth of Christ.
The only person at the sacred holiday to get a gift was the Christ child.
So I see the only people we should give gifts to are children.
The christ child received three gifts, so three gifts should be the limit for each child.

Why are we all suckered into this buying spree that puts too many in debt they can't afford?

Tell me why you agree or disagree.




posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Grandma Y U NO GIVE ME PRESENT?


Don't be surprised when you find yourself in the retirement home



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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About 4 years ago, I got totally fed up with the commercialism of Christmas. I decided at that point to only give gifts I had hand made myself, to only people I knew would appreciate, and use them. It sure gave me peace of mind. It brought back the joy of giving, not stressing over if I had bought the right thing for someone. It also, made it the most logical use of my budget. If more people only gave from their own personal efforts, it would indeed be more in the spirit of Christmas.

jmoho....plus, I hate the out of control crowds in stores during the Holidays....people get nasty....

Des



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by grandmakdw
For Atheists, why waste your money giving stuff people don't need and part of the time don't really want for a holiday you don't believe in? Isn't it hypocritical for Atheists to celebrate Christmas?


The reason Non believer celebrate it because its the holidays, days off work, things are cheaper, everyone is having dinner and stuff. It has nothing to do with Christ or Christianity anymore like you mentioned.



For Jews and Muslims, and other religions, are you kidding, Christmas means acknowledging Christ is Lord and that is a horrific heresy for your religion.


Christmas is a renamed for a existed Holidays... like before it will chance to our current era...and its changing... Maybe you didn't realize, not many people celebrate Christmas as a christian holiday anymore(unless you are christian and is traditional).




I am so angry at how society pushes us to buy buy buy and wants to treat the religion behind it as racist, homophobic, ignorant, and dangerous and has set out to ban every expression of it in the public sector - except when they can get $$$ out of it. Why should we support this? Why are we all suckered into this buying spree that puts too many in debt they can't afford? Tell me why you agree or disagree


I can totally agree, spending way too much on those things and companies take advantage of that.... media pressure us in buying expensive things and its normal......... i spend over $400 on 5 friends alone lol.... That's why this time i proposed a nice dinner and gifts consisting of chocolates/Wine/Liquor/Homemade goodies only!
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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What is so hard about this? If you are "sick & tired" don't participate. Vote with your wallet. Boycott Christmas. Yay for you. Meanwhile let others do what they want. You're not advocating "there ought to be a law!" are you? There's plenty of room for Scrooges. Go hide underneath a bed or something. You remind me of the old prude who was against bear baiting not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the onlookers.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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It's one of the only times of the year that every one gets together and gives gifts to each other.
It's the time when most people are off work, and that's the time when most families can get together.
We give presents once a year and it makes us feel good.
I like Christmas, and not because it's a religious time of the year.
I think we've gone past that. We're consuming all year round. Why not give once a year?
Yes we're making the industry rich, but we're also reaping material benefits.
If you don't like the pair of socks you got for Christmas, just smile and remember it was a present.
What's more important is the gathering of the family and the happiness of being together.
That and the turkey, stuffed, potatoes, veg, cranberry sauce, gravy, Yorkshire puddings, Christmas pudding, cheesy jumpers with Christmas trees stitched on it, same old songs playing on the stereo, chocolates, lights, that old Christmas spirit.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Since Chrisians stole xmas from the pagans, you really have no place to get mad.

I celebrate it as a pagan, and a national holiday.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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You just described how my family celebrates Christmas; we buy gifts for the grandkids and everyone else buys something for $20 or less that we play "dirty Santa" with. To play we draw numbers out of a hat and choose a gift starting with #1 and pick a gift out of the pile. Then next person (#2) gets to either take what the person before them got or choose a new gift from the pile. It's really fun and makes Christmas a sane holiday again - nobody has to max out their credit cards and worry about who wants what.

Christmas has become far too commercial and for us it's just about spending quality time with the family, playing cards and board games, eating well and getting some rest.

For fun we go out guerilla caroling and sing to people in drive throughs, checkouts, nursing homes, traffic cops, whoever we see. we even caroled a silent manger scene with live people. Try it, it's a blast.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Since my mum is the oldest of 9, they do the white elephant. All the gifts are in the center of the room and the whole family participates.

That ends up being way more fun then everyone being handed a present.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Interesting piece of history.
Thanks for bringing that up.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by grandmakdw
So I see the only people we should give gifts to are children.


I lost interest in Christmas when I became too old to get presents.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Do you have kids? Oh it gets way more fun when you have xmas for your kids. I like it better as a parent then I did as a kid.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
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Do you have kids? Oh it gets way more fun when you have xmas for your kids. I like it better as a parent then I did as a kid.


Alas I have no children and, as the years flitter past, probably never will.

This Christmas will probably be much like the last one - waking up in the morning and watching a documentary on the Jewish holocaust (for lack of anything better to do), making a poor dinner of lentil soup followed by an evening stroll around the empty streets... catching the occasional glimpse into peoples windows and watching as they laugh and frolic at their festive activities around the Christmas tree.

So, as you tuck into your roast turkey and pull crackers with your kids, spare a thought for the lonely, unwanted and unloved folk for whom the idea of a Christmas spent in a warm and loving environment is but a far off pipe-dream.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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We should stop giving presents period. The holiday isn't about stuff.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Hey buddy get your facts straight christmas isnt the "christ childs" bday.

Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

he ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).

In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians

The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.

Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.



Originally posted by nixie_nox
Since Chrisians stole xmas from the pagans, you really have no place to get mad.

I celebrate it as a pagan, and a national holiday.



As for you if you celebrated it like the early pagans you'd be in prison right now learn more and try paganism again when youve read up on your religion a little more and btw they didnt still it the pagans gave it to them



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Come over to our house!!!
If you can make it to Virginia.
I'm serious!



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Honey, I spent last Christmas alone. I was stood up


So I understand. Though I spent the day watching Firefly reruns and actually enjoyed it.

I only enjoy xmas because of my kid. Other then that, it blows. family pressures and fake niceties get old. Not to mention, it reminds me of how broke I am.

One year my husband and I were stuck 2500 miles away from any family. So we rented a little cabin with a fireplace, and then went skiiing. Best xmas I ever had. No obligations.



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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 02:57 AM
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Give the 16 year olds a HIV™ test. It was on the news this morning. Fat Baumgauten said so, on WGN, after keeping me up me well over an hour with the aids teaser intro.

~Bill Dingleberry, Secaucus NJ, staying tuned, as always.
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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That's such a cool idea! A new game for my friends and I to distribute our gifts amongst each other this year!

Each year we go a different friends house to the year before but as we have all known each other for years we also know each others houses and gardens very well.

What we usually do is also settle on a maximum amount we are each allowed to spend on buying a gift and making the parcel, each person brings only one gift to our get together, the gift has to be something the person buying would have liked to have been given as a gift, as we know each others tastes well and there are many group likes and dislikes it is not difficult to buy something that any one of the group would like to have, these gifts are then numbered.

So we have the place, the gifts and each other but this is where the fun starts, Each person knows which number the gift they brought was allocated, we gather in an area which has a very restricted view of the rest of the house and garden and one by one we go out and hide our gifts we then have to write down 5 VERY cryptic treasure hunt clues leading whoever draws a particular number to that gift! We don't go scrambling around in a rush but after everyone has hidden their gift we sit together in the "party" area and one draws a number and then has to search for their gift and so on! Being a group of rowdy adults not averse to liquid refreshment a group of 8 to 10 people could take a good couple of hours finding all the gifts

Once all the gifts have been claimed (no one is allowed to get the gift they brought) we sit together in group and open our wonderful and well thought through presents! It is great fun and its cheap!
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Oh high and mighty noob,

It is you who is the one who needs a history lesson. Pagan is an umbrella term for any non christian sect, and there were other pagans then the romans.

For one, the stealing of customs from the pagans to convert them didn't happen during one time period, it happened during many.

Yule traditions of Nordic people were also converted to Christmas festivals during the middle ages.
The yule log, holly, wreaths. and mistle toe, were all stolen from Nordic and Germanic traditions.

The Christmas tree or decorating the house with evergreen boughs were used by ancient Chinese, Hebrew, and Egyptian traditions.
Because of the pagan origins of the Christmas tree from middle eastern cultures, it wasn't regularly used until the 19th century.

The act of a baby being born on 12/25/12 was stolen from Mithras, a persian religion, as was batism, communion, and resting on Sundays.

Chrstians didn't even celebrate the birthday till the 4th century.

Exchanging gifts and putting a candle in the window was stolen from the Celts.





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