Inmate: James Holmes told me he was 'programmed' to kill

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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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And the plot thickens....is Unruh a crazy, attention seeking inmate or telling the truth? Is the 'evil' therapist none other than Lynne Fenton? Is this all BS?

James Holmes: Inmate's strange tale of "confession" and suicide efforts



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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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According to the source, he seems to be blaming it on an "evil therapist".

Its not uncommon that incidents like these occur when people are on some kind of psychotropic drug: prozac, lithium haldol etc.

Depending on the incident, I often suspect some kind of MK Ultra type mind control. Like the man who decapitated and ate a random bus passenger.

Take the Moussaoui case for example. In 2002, he would not plead guilty and was saying things like:


I, Servant of God, must be free to appear in front of the Congress hearing relating to the September 11 attack and the FBI. I have relevant information and proof relating to conduct of the FBI regarding the Sept 11. The world has the right to know about September 11; Judge Brinkema cannot deceive the World.

and


Judge Brinkema's aim is now to declare me insane for my so-called "own welfare", and for the American justice interest. The only interest she serves is the US Government's interest to cover-up the FBI knowledge of Sept 11.

911review.org...

After a few years in American custody, he was begging to plead guilty...

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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 08:58 AM
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I'm not going to doubt the inmate's story. Some of it is verifiable. That's all I'm going to say.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
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According to the source, he seems to be blaming it on an "evil therapist".

Wait wasn't there something strange about the therapist he was seeing? I remember reading about the fact he was seeing a therapist for some time... but the therapist in question refused to comment on the matter or something? I can't exactly remember now... but it never crossed my mind that the therapist may have been the one who programmed him. I mean it's perfect really... he doesn't need to be snatched off the street, he wont have any weird memories of being taken to strange places against his will... in fact if the therapist was good enough at hypnosis he would have never even been aware that he was being programmed. This is fairly groundbreaking stuff. This guy had want to watch his back... he should do some sort of long video interview explaining everything Holmes said to him and post it on the internet before they shut him up. For a criminal like him, I can't imagine it will take much money to shut him up.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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My only question is why try and discredit the source? What difference does it make if he is telling the truth? He obviously knows something if he reported that holmes had attempted to hurt himself in the same way that he attempted to commit suicide days later.

At best if all this information is true it can be viewed one of two ways, 1. Holmes was trying to find a way that was believable, so that he could use it in his defense and was rehearsing his story.

2. Holmes was telling the truth and was trying to sort it all out and get his story out before he was silenced.

The authorities could have easily jumped on thought process number 1 and made it a very easy open and shut case in court. in theory anyways.

So why try and discredit this info unless.... option 2 is a valid possibility?



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Interesting. Thanks for the update.
Hmmmm...I wonder.

Wouldnt be surprised though. Doesnt break any laws of physics or anything....
Its certainly a possibility worth further investigation.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:05 AM
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He asked me to do an apology letter for the kids.

Wow... if this guy is telling the truth he's just opened a massive can of worms.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:06 AM
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Don't forget also that his journal of his plot to kill was sent to his psychiatrist but the psychiatrist didn't get her mail that day and it was confiscated by the FBI before she could read it.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Manhater
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Don't forget also that his journal of his plot to kill was sent to his psychiatrist but the psychiatrist didn't get her mail that day and it was confiscated by the FBI before she could read it.
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Yes that's the strange thing I was trying to remember... the therapist is certainly involved in this in some way. And if I were her I'd be just about pissing my pants right now. Everything is pointing back to her at this point.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Things are so dismal that you would be wiser to trust a mentally unstable convict rather than the US Govt.

At least the convict got busted, whereas the govt lies so much they never get busted.

This is a case of the lesser of two evils, and you know I like to make safe bets in Vegas.


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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by ChaoticOrderWait wasn't there something strange about the therapist he was seeing? I remember reading about the fact he was seeing a therapist for some time... but the therapist in question refused to comment on the matter or something?


Fenton is former Air Force...working specifically in psychiatry, allegedly under the umbrella of the VA. As soon as the press 'outed' her as Holmes' psychiatrist right after the shooting, the University scrubbed her bio and she was put under a gag order, which I believe has been lifted recently. She is also the one who allegedly received Holmes' journal...the most convenient piece of evidence in a criminal case ever. After the backlash from the public and press, there is now supposedly some unnamed police officer to whom she 'reported' Holmes' behavior prior to the shooting.

To me, this looks like two things: Fenton isn't just some random University shrink. Real story? Use your imagination..... A few of us have said from the very beginning that this whole thing stinks, and I personally said repeatedly that the way this unfolded is almost to the letter the same as Sirhan Sirhan. Fenton as the inside operative makes sense, and provides a near fool-proof cover. Secondly, I think that the University is in full-on damage control here. A few select people have a least a little bit of an inkling that Fenton cannot take the fall for this, which leaves the University has a whole culpable and open to a barrage of lawsuits....unless there is some individual employee...real or fabricated...who can be made to appear to have dropped the ball that they can scapegoat.


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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Wasn't DARPA funding the program he was attending or something?

I don't know about you guys, (strap your tin on) but personally anytime I read the words DARPA and mind control, I can't help but get a chill up my spine.

This could be all BS. He's got a interesting story I'll give him that.

Still many unanswered questions though. Too many coincidences if you ask me.

~Tenth



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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Hypnotism really is the perfect tool... it's so powerful, yet that power makes it something which a lot of people have trouble understanding. It's almost like telepathy... it has this magical quality which provides a perfect cover. Unlike telepathy however, hypnotism is most certainly real. Anyone who hears the theory that he was programmed to kill will most likely have an instant reaction of denial because they can't grasp it. They think it's outlandish or crazy to postulate such things... but in reality it's something which can be done, as Derren Brown has shown. That's what makes it so perfect. And especially when that theory is coming from a convicted criminal... I mean who is going to believe that apart from conspiracy theorists. The fact he is a criminal doesn't mean much to me, people are convicted for absurd reasons all the time. The information he is presenting is the key to the truthfulness of his words, and he certainly appears to know things which would indicate he spoke to Holmes, despite what the police may claim.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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I was going to say the same exact thing, tothetenth. DARPA and mind control still give me chills. I can't help but wonder if this guy was another Manchurian Candidate/MKUltra experiment.

In this day and age, I'll trust the convict that they're blatantly trying to discredit over the US Government or any branch of the Judicial system. Something smells with this case, and it ain't the smell of buttered popcorn.


-TS



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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You would have to know the lay out of the holding area to determine if he was telling the truth. Usually there are cells that hold several prisoners waiting to be booked and fingerprinted. The process can take hours. I would imagine based upon the nature of the crime he was placed in a cell all by himself. They must not have a very busy jail if they can house arrestees individually. That or they have a lot of individual cells. Also, those cells are made out of bricks and if Holmes was slamming himself into the walls and was using his head, he would have had some visible marks on his noodle when he went to court to be arraigned. As we all saw he didn't have any marks on his face. Also he would have had to be screaming in order for another inmate to hear him. I thought he told the cops he didn't remember anything and asked for a lawyer immediately. Why he would be screaming a defense theory around the booking area makes no sense.

For the record, I do not think Holmes acted alone, not for one minute. I am not even convinced he was the shooter at all, however I do believe he was dressed like the shooter in order for him to assume his patsy role.


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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Yes, there's Fenton, there's DARPA but beyond all that lies one simple fact:

Holmes knew nothing about shooting or guns or explosives or booby traps.
He certainly couldn't have become an "expert" without help.
He probably couldn't load one if his life depended on it.
Whoever the shooter was had some training in firearms, something Holmes did not.
I'm inclined to believe this story, it makes at least as much sense as the OS.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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ChaoticOrder In answer to your questions about "the therapist:"

Psychoanalysis and the entire therapeutic profession as founded and implemented by the followers of master Mason and Zionist Sigmund Freud, is a fraudulent Zionist MKUltra mind-control and brain-washing set-up. For a clue into how they have operated their demonic profession throughout America (and the world) please start here ---> The Zionist Brainwashing Of America

See especially the parts dealing with megamonster Sigmund Freud:

Few paragraphs from the middle of the article:

Sigmund Freud (avowed atheist with admitted Oedipal impulses toward his own mother) considered mankind to be the vilest of all of God's creation. Freud's work reflected his own repugnant beliefs:

"The individual is essentially an enemy of society and has instinctual urges that must be restrained to help society function. 'Among these instinctual wishes are those of incest, cannibalism, and lust for killing.' His view of human nature is that it is anti-social, rebellious, and has high sexual and destructive tendencies. The destructive nature of humans sets a pre-inclination for disaster when humans must interact with others in society. 'For masses are lazy and unintelligent; they have no love for instinctual renunciation, and they are not to be convinced by argument of its inevitability; and the individuals composing them support one another in giving free rein to their indiscipline.' So destructive is human nature, he claims, that 'it is only through the influence of individuals who can set an example and whom masses recognize as their leaders that they can be induced to perform the work and undergo the renunciations on which the existence of civilization depends.' All this sets a terribly hostile society that could implode if it were not for civilizing forces and developing government..."

--From The Future Of An Illusion, by Sigmund Freud.


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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Well how convienient is this? Its been claimed that this is a false flag since the story was barely an hour old. So many gaps have been pointed out, so many strange coincidences, so much evidence and then this.

This is just not right. I cant believe Americans arent up in arms about this.

Know your enemy.


 
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Well, that's interesting. I remember some topics a while back predicting suicide and claiming Holmes had been "programmed."

But people like this...



"It's always been meth with me," he says. "If I drink a beer or something, I've got the voices in my head that drive me to do more drugs. I'm really weak-minded."


Make it hard to take some of this stuff seriously, especially for the casual observer.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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"Its not uncommon that incidents like these occur when people are on some kind of psychotropic drug: prozac, lithium haldol etc."

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It's entirely uncommon that people taking mood stabilizers freak out and go on a killing rampage.

Also, just because someone is prescribed something it does not follow that they are actually taking the medications and complying with their treatment recommendations, which in turn, makes continued poor judgment and unhealthy behavior much more likely.

Saying/writing something like you just did does not help anyone, in fact, it could prevent people who do need mental health treatment from seeking it out because they are afraid of being turned into something they are not when they hear someone like you say that these medications turn you into a deranged killer.

Now, before you go off on the prove your statements tangent, how about you prove yours, as well? I don't have any desire to prove anything to you. I'm merely countering your argument with one of my own.

Opinions are like you know what, and everybody has got them.





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