If they really were planning to murder Americans, then it's a good job they were stopped.

However, people can be...well, dickheads..and write and say things online that they would never carry out in reality..a little like forums being an outlet for fantasy and armchair ramblings.

Although, selling possessions and buying air tickets etc..points to them actually being guilty of real planning and so it looks like a good collar by the FBI.

He allegedly engaged in chat conversations with an FBI "online covert employee" and confirmed his desire to join al Qaeda.

An unnamed "confidential source" working for the FBI won the trust of Santana and Deleon, according to the complaint, spent time with them and recorded many of their conversations.

Yay, another FBI trap. Probably. How convenient with the current middle east problems.

(My cynical opinion only and not backed with anything as trivial as proof. Obviously).

Support them in Syria, train to be like them...what is the difference? You train and supported them anyways. Blowback is a bitch.

this may be one of the first fbi sting ops that doesn't seem as being more a situation of aiding and abetting as opposed to actual investigation and apprehension.

a good one for the federal bureau of incompetence, if you ask me.

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seeing your follow up reply, JacK, I'd agree with you entirely. there should have been, at some point, an opportunity or at least, attempt to deter their course, so to speak.

Does the FBI have any credibility when it comes to these types of arrests?

My first thought: is this yet another case of entrapment?

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c

seeing your follow up reply, JacK, I'd agree with you entirely. there should have been, at some point, an opportunity or at least, attempt to deter their course, so to speak.

edit on 11/20/2012 by 12m8keall2c because: (no reason given)

These days, they usually try to avoid entrapment by giving the mark multiple chances to change his plans, explaining that there are many ways to follow their religion peacefully, but I always imagine the conversations are a little more emotionally loaded than is reported, more like "So you're sure you want to do this, right? You're not backing out on us?"

Originally posted by sepermeru
... but I always imagine the conversations are a little more emotionally loaded than is reported, more like "So you're sure you want to do this, right? You're not backing out on us?"

same here, thereby making it far more unlikely that the individual will backout or away from their 'intended' path.

I think the FBI functioned far better when they were basically a 'uniformed plain clothes' law enforcement agency in the strictest sense of that term. Bank Robbery, Human Trafficking and the variety of other hard and solid crimes that were their stock and trade. They really are getting muddier and muddier for just what they are doing and where the lines are as they've left the traditional role and gone to playing outright detective / counter terrorist / swat team roles as a regular thing. Whatever else Hoover was, he was right to keep them almost comically straight and narrow types as I've read about it.

I'd say we need a new agency for things like bank robbery and human trafficking but then really, the absurdity of it is sitting right there.

How many whole agencies do they actually need keeping us safe from what they either create or ...in this case...fail on the 'serve' side of what that job is supposed to be in deterring outright stupid, IMO.

Another point on this, I won't dispute real threats exist...but Americans off to Jihad in Afghanistan sounds almost like stopping them was a favor....It's almost a case of no need to pile on with destroying them totally and I'm only half joking. I wonder how many Americans have gone on their own with ideas of either side (Jihad or dreams of bounties)....and never were heard from again?

The Federal beareau of Incrimination strikes again!


I would be willing to bet that the FBI bought them their ticket to Afghanistan.....er ....well maybe just loaned them the monsy while patting them on the back and telling them to go for it.......(I can see some agent buying up their possessions with handfuls of bills)
The FBI has ZERO credibility.
They have degenerated into a black ops arm of the goverments various agendas.....
The Retarded Goons and the Sellouts stay in, and the really good people get out......
Thus the drop in the intelligence level of agents, and the lameness of their "cases".
How many COPS does AMERIKA NEED? Enough to be able to entrap teenagers into life sentences it seems......
In a country of armed citizens....the need for excessive numbers of law enforcement is moot.
The truth is that these LEOs are the hidden army of goons which the PTB will use against the people when its time.
They will happily shoot US citizens (as they have proven many times over......)
They seem to enjoy their power and authority far too much......and their trained in the arrogant stance they take.....and the violently psychopathic, knee jerk reactions they exhibit when encountering citizens versed in the constitution are a product of their brainwashing.