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Obamacare, why wasnt it here sooner?

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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:34 AM
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Towson university. Not sure how I maxed out the test since my SAT score was like 1230 and ACT score was 29. I ended up doing field artillery though. But with my score I could choose any MOS in the army.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:38 AM
reply to post by FreebirdGirl

Car insurance isnt mandatory, it is only a requirement to drive a car, which alot of Americans dont even engage in.

Health insurance mandates, are making it a requirement simply because one lives, which is fricking stupid.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:38 AM
reply to post by marg6043

Maybe so, but I still don't think it qualifies him to just blatantly cheap shot the soldiers and veterans of our country. If you are fed up with how our government does things, fine but talk about it instead of getting many people who should be on your side against you. I mean its not like soldiers are unfamiliar with being jerked around by the government.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Krazysh0t

You got a 99?? Where are you graduating from now? MIT?? lol.... I got an 89 on mine and felt pretty good about myself until just now.
They said all I couldn't be until a medical issue decided for me was a Helicopter pilot and a couple highly specialized things at that level. I'm almost afraid to ask what 99 does for an MOS?

For the thread, I'd also think the proposed and ongoing changes to Tricare for the military guys show it's being felt pretty hard by everyone all around, already. i don't know how this all works out now either. The road to get this far has pretty well come at tearing up what used to be and by design. So going back isn't an option.
I got a 97 on the ASVAB when I took it in 1983. The test wasn't that hard. The NFQT was harder, I only got a 69 on that. High enough to pass, but I wasn't interested in the nuclear field.
edit on 20-11-2012 by DarthMuerte because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:47 AM
reply to post by Krazysh0t

I guess been a female and knowing how things are going in this country, all the misinformation fed to people by the whore politicians regardless of party lines, it makes me sad when some do not understand that things around are not going to get better as long as we rely on the same set of people that are running the nation and all those behind them.

As a former military wife, still marry, now my husband is retired, he does found that government still support its veterans, at least since he retire, but this latest administration has been very rude and hard on the military overall.

All that sense of security in government is now gone, but then again this another story that doesn't belong in this thread.

All I will say is that layoff are coming in government in January, things are going to get bad very bad with all the Obamacare taxes and the recently unemployed.

The morons in the white house have this idea that they have to tap into the retiree and senior retiree pockets in order to support the health care reform.

Have you read the latest issues of military news, is not pretty.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 05:38 PM
Guess what OP in Connecticut we have done this for Years...for my state here is what is going to happen the state will take over the broker Buss,......Now people will have no when to help them with there claims...they know have to use a attorney costing big bucks .were I do it for free as they are my clients a receive a commission ...not big at all.
I have lost %60 of my Buss do to this economy...The small buss. I have left will no longer hire full time employee's
do to the new law!
Obama care will put out like 10,000 people out of work in the industry !
What are they gonna ado like myself being 59.
You want fax .... ,of the many meetings I have been going to about OBAMA CARE ...the bottom line is major comp. like BC/BC and United Healthcare, to name a few.
We do not have insurance companies moving into this state...but moving OUT!

OH here is the big one... we were told by these's companies that by 2014 rates will go up by %40!

Example ...a self employed Comp with 3 workers paying a $5000 Deducatiable at a age rated companay..they all are.. age 40 a family....$1500.000 a add % 40....


So OP explain to me how this is better!

My Clients will pay the fine and go on public help......MORE HAND OUTS FROM THIS SCUM BAG Cause they CAN'T aford it......?????

I beg you tell me me how this is better????
edit on 20-11-2012 by nighthawk1954 because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Anundeniabletruth
This is a tough one. I agree with giving everyone insurance, especially if they're actually making an effort to work, no matter what that job may be or how people who think themselves above it may think. This is actually one of those areas where I think I would have to push for more government regulations. The government probably should have stepped in and prevent Insurance companies from jacking prices up so high in the first place. It has gotten WAAAAAY out of control. Insurance providers aren't small businesses, if they're going to try and screw the people then the government that is supposed to protect it's citizens should be able to stop them but then again the government helped jack up the prices of "education" so sumthin tells me they might not have the full interest of the people at heart . . .

To me it's a false premise. Why do you want everyone to have health insurance? That is only going to insure cost keep spiraling upwards because people buying policies will go to the doctor for colds just to get some benefit out of paying the premiums.

We should just expand Medicare and instead of paying premiums to an insurance company, you pay just into it based on how many family members you have. Medicare sets the customary charges for office visits and services, hospital stays. That way they can not charge based on trying to pay for each hospital and clinic having their own MRI and unneeded tests, bed quotas. Because the hopitals have these equipment, they are obliged to have doctors fill a quota of patients using them whether necessary or not just to pay for them.
There is no reason for a medium sized town or city to have 50 MRI machines in their midst. Untold sonargram machines, EKG machines, but particularly the highly specialized treatment that might be only required a few times a year, yet located at every hospital. Drug companies prices could be curtailed and limit the amount of unnecessary drugs that cause more harm than good being foisted on the public.

There's got to be a better way by cutting out the middle man of insurance companies and at least starting to address the out of control for profit medical care.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:06 PM
reply to post by PaperbackWriter

Look at my post! you have it right!

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:20 PM
I will not participate in obamacare either.. I'll even stop filing income taxes if it comes to that.. Call it personal nullification..

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:34 PM
reply to post by Merinda

THe military isnt even the way to go now. Trust me. My husband retired in 2010 after 22 yrs service. I can tell you that Tricare Prime is on the chopping block. We are going to have to revert back to Champus/high deductible. 20% copay. I am not very happy.

Obamacare is nothing more than socialized medicine. I work for a MAJOR insurance company. One of the top 3 in the nation. I can tell you for a fact, if you enjoy group doctor visits (meaning you are seen with other people who are sick) and the govt telling you whether you are worthy of a procedure, then Obamacare is the way to go. I can also tell you Medicare will take a HUGE hit. I can also tell you that it is not the pretty package it is bundled up to be.

I watched a 20 minute film at work that showed what our medical services will look like in 4 short years...Doctors..we will have a shortage. Doctors will have too many patients and not enough time to see them so you will either not be seen or be seen in groups. will be kicked out when the govt thinks you should be...not when you are ready.

If you are on welfare and want an abortion though that will totally be covered.

I fear for any cancer patient on Obamacare. I fear for anyone wanting to try an experimental procedure to save their life.

Obamacare is the first step toward socialism.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:40 PM
Easy, see how it was specifically timed to not go in effect until after the reelection of the liar in chief?

Why, because once it is and people realize fully how much in new taxes and increased premiums not to add the lost jobs and layoffs he would have never gotten reelected.

It is a classic Trojan horse attack on the system under the guise of the ever popular "but it's for the children and the poor people" so that anyone who argues against it can be summarily labeled a hater...

For those who voted for him I hope they are the ones who lose their coverage, full time employment and jobs...if there is any justice that is what will happen.

Actually, I think it was intended to specifically crash the free market for healthcare so that the government will be set-up to swoop in and save the day with a single payer system and be the heroes. The heroes who happen to have a crisis of convenience they created just so they can solve it.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Merinda
Those hit by Obamacare are the companies which neither pay their workers a wage sufficient to buy their own insurance and neither offer an health care plan. For the companies whom do that already not much changes.

Many of those companies prefer to pay the penalty of 2000 Dollar per worker, because its the cheapest way. To what does it ammount? For a pizza it means a price hike like 14 Cent. And some people still bitch and moan. Why wasnt a system put in place that helps out the bottom of the barrel sooner, seen as how the economy needs a bottom of the barrel. We do need people working for minimum wage serving food, doing other jobs, most of all the people whom make a profit off of them who bitch and moan the loudest by the way.

We do not tell soldiers either its their own fcking fault they did not have the means, brains and resources to get a decent education so that they can stay out of the military when they fall sick or get wounded.

You are looking at the issue way too simplistically. Your thinking seems to be along the lines of healthcare good, everyone need healthcare, government should make sure everyone have health care.

Ok, fine in a perfect world nearly everyone would agree healthcare for everyone is desirable - really you aren't going to find many people who will disagree with that. The whole reason people are opposed to Obamacare are for the following reasons:

1. Healthcare is already too expensive and Obamacare raises the cost for the vast majority by increasing the bureaucracy.
2. You are required to buy it or pay a fine - this is not constitutional, and I don't care what the supreme court decided.
3. Obamacare does nothing to reform our broken system, no costs are cut, and there are obvious things that could be done, such as not restricting importation of drugs and malpractice limits.
4. The country is dead broke and we really cannot afford to pay out more money we don't have to medical care we already can't afford.

I would actually not be totally opposed to a single payer system, as I do think it would reduce costs, and would be far better than the monstrosity of a system we have now. We are literally paying double the amount for equivalent care of pretty much every other 1st world country. Whats worse is that medical costs have gone up 9% on average every year for the last 30 years. That means medical costs are doubling every 7 years. That is inexcusable and is in the process of bankrupting the nation.

I was certainly not opposed to medical reform when Obama took office but Obamacare is a Joke, it actually makes our terrible system even worse.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Merinda
We do not tell soldiers either its their own fcking fault they did not have the means, brains and resources to get a decent education so that they can stay out of the military when they fall sick or get wounded.

You really shouldnt be so disrespectful towards soldiers.

The irony and the truth here is, If it weren't for soldiers, you wouldn't have the right to make such a stupid ass comment.
You should be at least a little bit grateful.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:36 PM
reply to post by Alxandro

Oh?, yes do tell who it is our country has fought that threatened to take away our right to free speech?
I can't remember that one.

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:40 PM
If the government was really out to make a difference, they would force the companies to put that $2,000 into a fund for each company to help those out that do not have insurance or a general government fund for those without insurance who are working full time.

But instead the question remains, what does our "government" plan to do with the billions of dollars they plan to get with these companies opting out of providing insurance to their employees?

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:48 PM
reply to post by PaperbackWriter

Are you freakin serious?
All you have to do is ask yourself one very simple question, different do you think the world would be today if Germany had won WW II?

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:56 PM

Originally posted by tw0330

But instead the question remains, what does our "government" plan to do with the billions of dollars they plan to get with these companies opting out of providing insurance to their employees?

That's the million dollar question.
ObamaCare is just the beginning, what happens the next time the government forces YOU to buy something else you don't want to purchase?

Where will that money go and who gets to keep those billions?

posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:00 PM
reply to post by k21968

"If you are on welfare and want an abortion though that will totally be covered."

Good! It costs much less in the long run to just terminate the thing than to pay to keep it up for the entire childhood only for it to most likely follow in the mother's footsteps and bring another generational poverty child into this world for the government to have to support. Unless of course the anti abortion people would prefer that we force her to have the child but give her no money so that the poor kid just starves to death... which is just sick! Or I suppose one could argue for more government control and forced foster care which is more often than not a ladder to a terrible childhood, costs the government more than "welfare," and leads to people who do the same thing and have to live on the welfare system as an adult.

I do say the above as someone who was born into an uneducated family that grew up in project housing and trailer parks throughout his childhood and fathered his first child at 17. Poverty is a royal b*t*h and the government is not trying to fix the problem by educating and providing any real means of the poor being able to get a job that will allow them to survive without government assistance so why not allow them abortions?
It would be MUCH cheaper in the long run. Most of my fellow poor aren't as capable as myself and do not take the debt slavery option of college, as I have chosen to do.
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