Thanks OP for your informative posts. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, but as long as you are willing to share it, to openly share it, and hope we all can civily discuss it, it will go a long way towards greater understanding for many, for those who seek to understand. Good luck on your thread.

Palestine was part of the brutal Ottoman Empire, and palestinians were only arab and jewish squatters on that Caliphate land, equally brutalized by the high and low Turks.

Towards the end of the 18th century, the bedouin caravan raiders were enticed by the corrupted Ottoman turks to become land agents for them, instead of raiding them, and they came from Arabia, with clan ties to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and formed the needed backbone of strength of the weak and pacified palestine people.

Most of the jews living in then Jerusalem were mainly theology scholars, whom had been fleeced dry by the greedy Ottoman inorder to stay there.

The jewish migration, fleeing from oppression in Russia and Poland, were welcomed by the hungry Ottoman Turks whom had earn little from the palestinian serfs whom had no social expenditure from the empire while paying taxes and rents, and thus little in way of knowledge in farming.

Those migrated jews brought spring to the land with their new techniques on poor soil and swamps, often the kind of land that was sold astronomically to them. The arabs did not welcome them, but a kind of truce developed over time to share the land at least in armed peace, if not in harmony.

This was the origins of the 'palestine people'.

2. In the early 19th century, the decadent Ottoman Empire was in its death throes. England easily won the mandate to rule those lands during the crucial war years as an access route to the Suez. They were responsible for partitioning up those empire lands and assigned rulers to them.

Unfortunately, the brits failed. Parcels of land was seized by the Saudi tribe and created the new land Saudi Arabia that encompass the holy muslim sites. It then set the precedent for every ambitious arab commoner with an eye for a throne of their own.

Islam was but a way to gather fools to achieve their personal goals, nothing more. Sharia laws were the best social structures to build a religious slave state than ensures total absolute power to the head and none except lip service to the people.

It was against such backdrops that the Muslim Brotherhood, and its offshoot - hamas, was formed. Yassim was nothing more than another ambitious mortal seeking for kingship, and his manifesto was but the way to gain power and rule over muslims. Islam is but a tool to him and his kind.

This was never what prophet Muhammad had intended, for he had intended man alone to be answerable to Allah, and work together following original moral and ethical guidelines from the sacred Koran, and not twisted interpretations from man, for the common good as an assembly, and not dictatorship.

The booting out of the last Caliph was by Divine providence, for enough was enough for the muslim people.

Yet today, stupid mortals are fighting and killing others for the return of the Caliphate. Turkey is one of them, the 'Mahdi' spouting apostate Khameni is another. And many muslims, unfortunately, are still sleeping.

In truth, by all means, let the Caliphate return or Muslim Brotherhood reign. They have no idea beyond seizing power, to uplift the lives of the common people, and the people will only suffer.

They had all the chance after 1911 to grow up, and build up a prosperous society with the discovery of oil. But they didnt and only wasted Allah's bounty upon indulgences, power and themselves. As many more nations discover oil in their own lands, as well as alternative energies, even USA, it is time to say bye-bye to the middle east dependence, if the arabs still seek to continue in their own self destructive ways.

May true muslims wake up, and work with the rest of the world, to achieve progress and evolution based upon common goals of life peacefully, so that none gets left behind. The self destructive ways and delusions must end.

Everyday, even every moment, events reveals much for directions to be taken.

Hamas - the descendants of the bedouin caravan thieves from Arabia that had settled in palestine, and claimed to lead the indigenous palestines yet had only lead them into suffering, pain and death, should give up on its delusion of a tyranny over the jews or lay any further claims to the land for themselves.

The land had been occupied by both jews and the orignal arabs for centuries, and with the formation of the new state of Israel, both had accepted and agreed to share the land together under a democracy, with no astronomical taxes upon the muslims there. They share almost every common goals.

Under the dictatorship of Hamas, I doubt if it would even be the same for the original arabs, let alone jews, with their tyrannical imposition of man made and interpretated Sharia laws to perpetuate brutal authoritarianism, the way they had led and sacrificed countless thousands of palestines to death in their personal self delusions of granduer.

The arab-israeli wars are long over. Treaties had been signed. The extermination of the jewish people is not for mortals to decide. Those wars are already religious proof of that. Nazi germany was exterminated. And the palestinian people will face doom next if they allow the insane Egyptian linked Hamas to lead.

When the jews under Moses - the same prophet of muslims, led them into Canaan, they succeeded despite all odds. It was divine will, as recorded in both the Bible and the Koran.

If Egypt and its brother Hamas seek for conquest, and to be rulers over a society, one nation lays awaiting for true muslims - Iran.

Umar had no problem converting the common persian laymen to Islam when he launch an attack upon Persia. It was the leaders whom prophet Muhammad was worried about and sought to win them by hearts and minds instead, and rightly so, as he knew these men would create problems for Islam later, and proven right today.

Persia, under the apostate Khameni, worships more the mythical 'Mahdi' than the prophet and it is the Mahdi that is central to the Shia beliefs, not prophet Muhammad whom had done so much, sacrificed so much to bring about arab unity and civilisation, and thinks that mythical Mahdhi is some end time saviour, had preached current times as end days when prophet Muhammad had specifically said no mortal will know when.

The apostate Khameni had openly preach against the teachings of the prophet, amongst many other issues too many to list here, is an apostate.

It is time for true sunni muslims to topple him and his followers, as well as his puppets around the world destabilizing not only the world, but muslim states as well, inclulding the HumanSlayer Assad, and bring the rest of the muslims misled by him to true Islam.

Persia and Egypt had long been rivals since civilisation began. It would be as good as time for Egypt to finish the rivalry once and for all, and be the undisputed democractic leader of muslims worldwide, not only in the Middle East. . Great times await Egypt, if it but wakes up from delusions and face realities. It comes but once. Saudi Arabia already made good use of such opportunity in the past in its quest for the holy city Mecca and is today respected worldwide.

If Egypt does not want to take up that prestigious role, Desperado authoritarian Turkey Endrogovan is ever ready to seize it and only waiting for an opportunity to gobble up Iran whole.

Implementing Islam in the political sphere in addition to day to day life is an obligation of Muslims. It's not an extreme form of Islam, it's Islam period. Muslims are required to try and bring back an Islamic khilafah.

Currently, no such state exists.

So Hamas is like the Westboro Baptist Church?

I think I get the spirit of the thread.