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You are misconstruing the facts and twisting words to intentionally distance Israel from its role in creating and supporting Hamas.
Sheikh Yassin collected money to reprint the writings of Sayyid Qutb, an Egyptian member of the Brotherhood who, before his execution by President Nasser, advocated global jihad.
was an Egyptian author, educator, Islamist theorist, poet, and the leading member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood in the 1950s and '60s.
it's longer term goals after securing an Islamic caliphate, is the conversion of the Dar Al Harb (the abode of war; or non-Muslim lands) into Dar Al Islam. Thus, Islamism is a direct threat against all non-Muslim civilizations. '
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by beezzer
This is where I got confused.
I thought you said 'Islamism' instead of Islam.
Islamism is like a 'tool' that Muslims use to impose their religion/philosophy on others. That's how I understood your analogy. Hence my confusion.
I criticize only Islamism, not Islam. And frankly, if you aren't in the least bit disturbed by the activities of Islamists and the claims they make of wanting to 'conquer the world', you have a screw loose.
They cannot invade any countries and hope to win and their ideology the majority of the world does not adhere to what so ever.
The problem is this authoritarianism that threatens to impose it's beliefs on others. If Christianity had gone in this direction, or If Judaism attempted the same, I would put up my arms and condemn them just as I now do towards Islamism.
I think the OP is correct to say there is a conflict just now in the Muslim word between moderate seculars and authoritarian Islamists. The key thing to remember however is that for some this is in reality a holy war, a war between the unbelievers and God, they see themselves as serving God. Quttb one of the founders of violent Islamic extremism is very good to read up on specifically upon this point. He said that the Islamic word was in a state of Jahiliyyah or “ignorance of God” it is like Islam in being attacked with increasing secularisation and his solution was to fight back.
This however I think is where the danger in discussing political Islam comes into play. The ideology of Quttb and the Takfir with a pan-Arabic view that fuel Islamic terrorism are not found in all aspects of Islamic ideology or even that of all Islamic terrorist organisations. This is where things start to become very complicated and convoluted.
You have to swear on a bible in court
If you don't believe what they believe you are going to burn in eternal damnation. you need to be saved.
It's not an extreme form of Islam, it's Islam period. Muslims are required to try and bring back an Islamic khilafah.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Octoneo
I actually agree. That is the historical Islam. But what if you're not Muslim? Can cinemas still exists? Clubs? the sale of alcohol? Cigarettes? Gambling? Singing?
Such a society is the extreme opposite of western civilization.. In like manner, just as the west emphasizes 'tolerance' as a necessary attribute of liberal democracy, Islam can only be intolerant due to it's absolute religious demands. If you go against the shari'a, the shari'a prescribes definite punishments. And death is ultimately the punishment in most cases of rebellion against Islam.
You talk in such a calm and modest tone. The mirror opposite of how you would have to be with persons who oppose your religion/political program.