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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Trustfund
 


The false narrative of Racism being why 0bama is hated is very old and very tired and very much a lie in and of itself.
It is the last straw of any Liberal that has nothing else to fall back on.

This has nothing to do with race, nor creed, nor sex nor anything but 0bama being the worst choice for leader of the US and his Admin as well.



Thank goodness, racism doesn't exist anymore...who knew? Finally, we are free of all that.

CJ
No one says racism doesn't exist.

Answer the tough question.

How has racism stopped President Obama from doing his job as POTUS?


Clearly racism has not stopped him. Who said it did? To deny that there are many racists who dislike the President because he is partially black is silly.

CJ




posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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reply to post by Indigo5
 

Population grew by approx 180,000 / month.

Jobs grew by 163,000 / month (base average 2012).

Yet, government lists unemployment numbers as going down.

Basic math...the US is currently haemorrhaging the active labour force.

That is not a good thing.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Clearly racism has not stopped him. Who said it did? To deny that there are many racists who dislike the President because he is partially black is silly.
yes, it is silly.

To use the fact that racism exists as an excuse for Obama's ineffective management of the Executive branch of the US Govt is even sillier.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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I'm not very optimistic about any politician solving all the problems that the US faces.

I see the President doing more of what he did in the previous 4 years.
He will push for more social programs.
He will miss more security meetings to go to his golf games.

The democrats and the republicans will all continue to make vague statements about spending reform.
There will be great soundbites offered by both parties but little actual reform.

Same thing on immigration reform, or deficit spending , or earmarked budgets, or lobbyist reform.

In other words, it will be business as usual in Washington.

If Romney had been elected, I don't think that there would be much difference.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by ColoradoJens
 




Clearly racism has not stopped him. Who said it did? To deny that there are many racists who dislike the President because he is partially black is silly.
yes, it is silly.

To use the fact that racism exists as an excuse for Obama's ineffective management of the Executive branch of the US Govt is even sillier.


True, that would be. Mind citing an example where anyone did that? I think most would agree that there is a segment of racists who detest the president because he is black. To completely deny it is folly.

CJ



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by peck420
reply to post by Indigo5
 

Population grew by approx 180,000 / month.

Jobs grew by 163,000 / month (base average 2012).

Yet, government lists unemployment numbers as going down.

Basic math...the US is currently haemorrhaging the active labour force.

That is not a good thing.


I was unaware that newborns need jobs



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Thepump

I was unaware that newborns need jobs
Don't be obtuse. Every year more people turn 18 than there are jobs created.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by Thepump

I was unaware that newborns need jobs
Don't be obtuse. Every year more people turn 18 than there are jobs created.


And of course, although you want government out of your ife as much as possible, it is up to the government to create jobs.

CJ



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by Thepump

I was unaware that newborns need jobs
Don't be obtuse. Every year more people turn 18 than there are jobs created.


And of course, although you want government out of your ife as much as possible, it is up to the government to create jobs.

CJ
NO! Just get them the hell out of the way. Stop making laws that kill jobs. Stop interfering with job creation. Just stop.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by Thepump

I was unaware that newborns need jobs
Don't be obtuse. Every year more people turn 18 than there are jobs created.


And of course, although you want government out of your ife as much as possible, it is up to the government to create jobs.

CJ
NO! Just get them the hell out of the way. Stop making laws that kill jobs. Stop interfering with job creation. Just stop.


I agree. Isn't it time that we call out the Mega capitalists who run the lobbies that manipulate the government in doing so?

CJ



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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reply to post by ColoradoJens
 

Sure, make lobbying illegal, institute term limits, and cut congressional salaries to minimum wage. That would help, but then we need to get rid of our current tax code and institute the Fair Tax. After that, government spending must be Constitutionally limited to 15% of GDP all inclusive.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by ColoradoJens
 

Sure, make lobbying illegal, institute term limits, and cut congressional salaries to minimum wage. That would help, but then we need to get rid of our current tax code and institute the Fair Tax. After that, government spending must be Constitutionally limited to 15% of GDP all inclusive.


Christ in a side car DM - we agree!

CJ
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by Thepump

I was unaware that newborns need jobs
Don't be obtuse. Every year more people turn 18 than there are jobs created.


And that trend starting in 2008.
Now it is being reversed.

Oddly enough, the economy died "because the government
Got out of the way" and stopped regulating properly.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by ColoradoJens
 

Sure, make lobbying illegal, institute term limits, and cut congressional salaries to minimum wage. That would help, but then we need to get rid of our current tax code and institute the Fair Tax. After that, government spending must be Constitutionally limited to 15% of GDP all inclusive.


Christ in a side cart DM - we agree!

CJ
It must be snowing in hell at the moment.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by newcovenant
 


First term 0bama was a failure. Second term 0bama will be the same, just more and faster.


Yup, First Term Obama was a "failure" because Republicans were very loud and clear that they would do everything they could to see he failed--which they did-- *so* that they could say he failed on as many points as possible.


Come off it, man.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Thepump

And that trend starting in 2008.
Now it is being reversed.
Those numbers you believe showed a reversal come from cooked books. They are lying and you are buying it. Get up real early one morning and go take a drive around your city. Look at the families living in their cars at wal-mart and in other such places. Look at the over packed shelters. Go check out the tent cities popping up all over this country. Then look yourself in the mirror and try to tell yourself it is actually getting better.




Originally posted by ThepumpOddly enough, the economy died "because the government
Got out of the way" and stopped regulating properly.
Government has not gotten out of the way since the 1913.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Come off it, man.

Uh, Obama had no Republicans standing in his way for the first two years he spent in office.

Or don't you remember two years ago when they referred to Nancy Pelosi as The Speaker of the House???



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 08:08 PM
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reply to post by beezzer
 


Racism is based off race, not political opinions. What you're describing is just people annoyed at you.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by newcovenant
 


We WILL collapse and many operations will go out of business but it will not affect the poor.
You can't subtract nothing from nothing.

When that day comes the poor will help each other - we will go back to sustenance farming, as we always have. People will boycott poor employers and rush to the honorable and ethical.


The poor in the United States suffer from obesity, diabetes and other consumption related illness while juggling Iphones, Ipods and watching the calendar for TANF, Food Stamps and/or Unemployment. Of course it can get worse for the poor. It can get MUCH worse. I would suggest anyone who thinks differently, go to you tube and watch a few videos about the poor of Manila in The Philippines, or take your pick, but virtually anywhere in Africa outside of South Africa and a couple North African nations which work hard to maintain the standard of living they do have.

You'll have to excuse me while I sigh. You look forward to a return to an agrarian society?? Ask China about all that...They've spent nearly two decades moving at warp speed (compared to the time it took the West early last century to do the same thing, to get AWAY from farming to simply live as a basis for their national productivity. The idea that anyone on Earth would willingly look to return to what basically amounts to grinding poverty (while you can bet the rest of the world won't be taking one for the team to join us) is depressing. That it would be envisioned by anyone for an American future is more than depressing. It's defeatist and fatalist.
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Those are not the poor.... juggling the iphones and ipods.
Sadly enough... that's the middle class these days.

There are a good many tiers below even the chubby genxers..
You don't even know it and that's part of the problem.



Pardon me while I sigh...don't ask me about China.

Here is something to remember. I'm sure you'll know where it's from ...

"First they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionists

Then they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me. "

Martin Niemoller






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